A bit confused on this.......

[coach et 64]

I would like to share your views on this....I know some clubs have been fined about this... :coffee (2):

"Despite not causing any problems during the match the bench had three standing in the technical area throughout the game."

Now if you have a dug-out that can fit 11 people then i'll say you're right but if the dug out can only fit 7-8 where the others are supposed to go?

What i like about it as well is:despite not causing any problems....

I do hope those £ 25 go to a good Charity.To say that i'm not impress it's an understatement.

[Ian_W]

My guess is to the side of the dugout, behind it or in the stand.

 

If a team has 4 subs, and 8 seats then does that team need more than 5 backroom staff on the sidelines?

 

I guess that is the argument being made by the FA.

 

I have seen it before, when a dug out does not have enough seats, for extra seats to be positioned to the side of the dugout - this has not caused the ref to request them to be moved.

 

Surely the ref has to impose the law as it stands - my guess is the club fined had their staff asked to leave the technical area but refused (or did so and then returned)

[R.W.C]

The £25 fine goes towards the bubbly at the referees christmas party!

[onebreast]

its no different in Ryman 1 either coachie. Some lino's have said 2 standing only , and some have said 1 !! They spend half of the game checking who is standing up and who isnt , so much so they usually miss what is going on on the pitch!

[fatboy slim]

Coachie

 

We got fined against Romford Last year dispite only having one of the management team actually at the game, whilst romford had there usual 15 in the dugout with most of them standing

[coach et 64]

My guess is to the side of the dugout, behind it or in the stand.

 

If a team has 4 subs, and 8 seats then does that team need more than 5 backroom staff on the sidelines?

 

I guess that is the argument being made by the FA.

 

I have seen it before, when a dug out does not have enough seats, for extra seats to be positioned to the side of the dugout - this has not caused the ref to request them to be moved.

 

Surely the ref has to impose the law as it stands - my guess is the club fined had their staff asked to leave the technical area but refused (or did so and then returned)

 

It was against Tiptree at Maldon ground and there was only room for 8 in their summer time dug-outs.The players,myself,John,physio sat in the dug out,Del was doing the running as usual and Ports,Roy stood to the side of it but not because they wanted too!The funny thing was,after the game i asked the ref if we had any paper with cautions or anything else and his words were:Tiptree didn't have any paperwork but we had no cautions and he would have sent the paper to our fixture secretary.He said that in front of the other two linesmen outside the clubhouse on the way to the car park When notified about the fine,i asked Port and Roy if the ref at anytime had asked them to sit down or move and the answer was no.So i assume to avoid another "fine" the next thing i have to take to away games is a little extension bench!!!!

[Grounhopper Mark.]

If it works how it did in the Ryman League, you submit to the referee the list of upto 5 subs and 6 non playing staff. As i have not done an ESL form not sure if this is done the same, but if it is then you should be able to appeal against it as you have named the numerous people and then state that the home club did not have room to sit them all.

 

As i say i have never dealt with ESL paperwork, but in our case we would of appealed to the f.a rather than the Ryman League, but as we are below contributory referee level, does that mean you appeal to your own league, in this case the Esl or the Essex County F.A? :coffee (2):

[coach et 64]

If it works how it did in the Ryman League, you submit to the referee the list of upto 5 subs and 6 non playing staff, as i have not done an ESL form not sure if this is done the same, but if it is then you should be able to appeal against it as you have named the numerous people and then state that the home club did not have room to sit them all.

 

As i say i have never dealt with ESL paperwork, but in our case we would of appealed to the f./a rather than the ryman league, as below contributory ref level, does that mean you appeal to your own league, in this case the esl? :coffee (2):

 

That's what i have done and i always do.The 5 subs,physio,John,Del,Roy,Port(when is not sub)and myself.10 people 11 at most which is perfectly within the rules.You know what happen with the appeals,you end up more money.

[Grounhopper Mark.]

If it works how it did in the Ryman League, you submit to the referee the list of upto 5 subs and 6 non playing staff, as i have not done an ESL form not sure if this is done the same, but if it is then you should be able to appeal against it as you have named the numerous people and then state that the home club did not have room to sit them all.

 

As i say i have never dealt with ESL paperwork, but in our case we would of appealed to the f./a rather than the ryman league, as below contributory ref level, does that mean you appeal to your own league, in this case the esl? :coffee (2):

 

That's what i have done and i always do.The 5 subs,physio,John,Del,Roy,Port(when is not sub)and myself.10 people 11 at most which is perfectly within the rules.You know what happen with the appeals,you end up more money.

 

Agreed, appeals in general are a waste of time, but sometimes they can surprise you.

[Big J R]

The rules are quite clear.

 

ONE CAN STAND.

 

The rest must remain seated.

[T.A.F.K.A.M 9]

why do u need to be in the dugout coachie, thought u was director of football now.

[coach et 64]

why do u need to be in the dugout coachie, thought u was director of football now.

 

Stands at this level ain't good enough for me.

[coupwotcoup]

That's you buggered for home games then..

[coach et 64]

That's you buggered for home games then..

 

Our home dug-out ,altough is like a fakir thing,can accomodate 10 easily.

[coupwotcoup]

I refer the honourable (???????) gentleman to the word 'stands'..or a lack thereof in Hullbridge's case...

[coach et 64]

I refer the honourable (???????) gentleman to the word 'stands'..or a lack thereof in Hullbridge's case...

 

No worry Coupy we have got one from one of your previous grounds on your nomadic existence....keep losing against the likes of Harlow & Cheshunt and you'll have the privilege to see it next year....

[FLIP FLOP]

My guess is to the side of the dugout, behind it or in the stand.

 

If a team has 4 subs, and 8 seats then does that team need more than 5 backroom staff on the sidelines?

 

I guess that is the argument being made by the FA.

 

I have seen it before, when a dug out does not have enough seats, for extra seats to be positioned to the side of the dugout - this has not caused the ref to request them to be moved.

 

Surely the ref has to impose the law as it stands - my guess is the club fined had their staff asked to leave the technical area but refused (or did so and then returned)

 

It was against Tiptree at Maldon ground and there was only room for 8 in their summer time dug-outs.The players,myself,John,physio sat in the dug out,Del was doing the running as usual and Ports,Roy stood to the side of it but not because they wanted too!The funny thing was,after the game i asked the ref if we had any paper with cautions or anything else and his words were:Tiptree didn't have any paperwork but we had no cautions and he would have sent the paper to our fixture secretary.He said that in front of the other two linesmen outside the clubhouse on the way to the car park When notified about the fine,i asked Port and Roy if the ref at anytime had asked them to sit down or move and the answer was no.So i assume to avoid another "fine" the next thing i have to take to away games is a little extension bench!!!!

[FLIP FLOP]

My guess is to the side of the dugout, behind it or in the stand.

 

If a team has 4 subs, and 8 seats then does that team need more than 5 backroom staff on the sidelines?

 

I guess that is the argument being made by the FA.

 

I have seen it before, when a dug out does not have enough seats, for extra seats to be positioned to the side of the dugout - this has not caused the ref to request them to be moved.

 

Surely the ref has to impose the law as it stands - my guess is the club fined had their staff asked to leave the technical area but refused (or did so and then returned)

 

It was against Tiptree at Maldon ground and there was only room for 8 in their summer time dug-outs.The players,myself,John,physio sat in the dug out,Del was doing the running as usual and Ports,Roy stood to the side of it but not because they wanted too!The funny thing was,after the game i asked the ref if we had any paper with cautions or anything else and his words were:Tiptree didn't have any paperwork but we had no cautions and he would have sent the paper to our fixture secretary.He said that in front of the other two linesmen outside the clubhouse on the way to the car park When notified about the fine,i asked Port and Roy if the ref at anytime had asked them to sit down or move and the answer was no.So i assume to avoid another "fine" the next thing i have to take to away games is a little extension bench!!!!

 

]For once i can see Coachie's frustration with this and once more more appalling man management from the referee, once the ref told him there was no problems that should have been the end of it, if he had an issue he should have mentioned it during the game or at very least at the end. Too many refs seem to have no accountability for what they put in reports and have to produce very little justification for their course of action- in real terms it's costing individuals and clubs money they can probably ill afford to pay.

To add to the frustration too often this season they have made dubious decisions in the really important issue ie the game, to later recieve a petty fine of this sort just adds salt to the wound, if the ref has 10 minutes spare after the game completing the paperwork to start the fining process he has the time to take a few seconds to have a quite word with the offending bench at a convenient break in play, that bench cannot then say they weren't warned if they ignore the instructions.There are some excellent Ref's in the league and some extremely poor. in most cases it's the man management that seperates the perception of which is which, if the benches weren't adhering to what he considered acceptable he should have refused to restart play until they were and warned them what would happen if repeated. What goes around comes around in football Coachie could well have that ref again, how the hell can he expect 'RESPECT' after he's basically stitched him up- happens all the time with Ref's saying one thing and doing another without accountability and increases the wedge between officials and clubs at this level- just my opinion but I ref on Sunday's, i always tell both Managers they need to stay behind the touchline, if i see them on the pitch i give them a little look or just tell them to get back as i hobble past- if they keep doing it i go over and have a longer word with them- it's not rocket science and it doesn't take a second but then again in general a lack of common sense from quite a few officials this season and that's a commonly heard gripe.

Ps- Well done Coachie with recent results- still an infuriating bast*** but credit where credit due.