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[CANV EFM]

as for all that brain stuff libro.. its an intresting theory, i did some research into depression and the chemical effect within the brain.. but much as lager has a chemical effect on the brain its no excuse to batter someone.. if your brain is in a state that you cant stop yourself battering somone for a mobile fone then you arn't safe to be on the streets and should be kept off em..

[EFM's Librarian]

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if your brain is in a state that you cant stop yourself battering somone for a mobile fone then you arn't safe to be on the streets and should be kept off em..

I completely agree CANV (is that a first?) I just don't think we should blame the person for being like that.

There is a really interesting true story in an excellent book by Paul Broks 'Into the silent land' It would take me for ever to retell it here, but basically its about a man who develops a growth on his brain, and it completely changes his behaviour (so much so that he ends up on the streets, with no family etc.) when they remove the tumour he wakes up and his old personality is basically restored - makes you wonder about what could happen to you <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

[pabird]

Agreed both old and new research states much the same, Put a man in prison and he comes out a more accomplished criminal

Most of our knocking of the system is failure by the authorities to understand the victims torment

Where there has been a turn round in the thinking process of criminals is where some have been exposed to the victims and their consequential suffering due to the crime(s)

Their also appears to be a culture of cover up when a judge or social worker gets it wrong or is simply negligent

Perhaps rather than menial tasks it would show some difference if prisoners were required to work out their time in a meaningful manner with their reward for such work going to the particular victim(s) of their crime

The absolute no go is the present "soft on criminals" and ignore the victims society

A very long debate required here

 

[Colin Zeal EFM]

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There is a really interesting true story in an excellent book by Paul Broks 'Into the silent land' It would take me for ever to retell it here, but basically its about a man who develops a growth on his brain, and it completely changes his behaviour (so much so that he ends up on the streets, with no family etc.) when they remove the tumour he wakes up and his old personality is basically restored - makes you wonder about what could happen to you

I think that's what's happened to me. I want the 'old Me' back. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

[CANV EFM]

protect the people first... the worry about rehab..

the majority of crimes are carried out by a small number of professionals these should have been banged up years ago.. the oppertunist crimbo may be worthy of a chance .. maybe the C.Z. 3 strikes and your out??

[pabird]

I think that used to be the case canv but the big concern for youngsters and old people in particular now days are the street crimes

Street violence and the mugging and sometimes rape of old ladies is not by the hard core criminals you refer to but the culture drop outs we have nurtured in our acceptance of culture change and our acceptance that the police can sit behind the steering wheel of their cars interested only in motorists

Our police have little or no knowledge of the area community within which they "earn" a living

It is now the worst time in our history for an old lady to live on her own

I can go back to when an English mans word was his bond

That sounds like an old man speaking about an age that never existed unfortunatley there really is a major change in our way of living

The police do not care

We have a blatantly lying PM who only cares about perception in change rather than the results of change

We allow our children and OAPs to be brutalised on the streets and in their homes

This thread covered serious thoughts about criminals but for all the "new" thinking the victims in our society are worse off than at any time in my living memory

Im getting off this thread or writing a book simply cannot make my mind up

 

[EFM's Librarian]

I just want to pick up on one point here. Why do so many people on the right have a problem with police trying to stop motorists from speeding?

 

"1,641 people were killed on rural roads in 2001 alone with speeding being the single largest contributory factor" I suspect thats rather more people than were killed by your average mugger. And another thing, why did so many people get upset about the proposals to ban bull-bars, they have been proven to make it more likely that death will occur after an RTA involving them, and there aren't that many wild animals on the streets of Britain. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

[Colin Zeal EFM]

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I just want to pick up on one point here. Why do so many people on the right have a problem with police trying to stop motorists from speeding?

I don't. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

[Tom S]

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I just want to pick up on one point here. Why do so many people on the right have a problem with police trying to stop motorists from speeding?

Not only that, but they say that 'the police should concentrate on catching 'real' criminals rather than catching speeders' while at the same time objecting to the speed cameras that would release police to do just that.

[Colin Zeal EFM]

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Not only that, but they say that 'the police should concentrate on catching 'real' criminals rather than catching speeders' while at the same time objecting to the speed cameras that would release police to do just that.

Errr... no I don't.

[Tom S]

Glad we agree on something then.

[pabird]

Speeding kills and I have no desire to stop the police being on the drivers case

What I do have a problem with is taking the police out of the society they function in, If that means more police or higher grade technology so be it

PS for every 100 children hit by cars at 30 mph 90% live and 10% die

For every 100 children hit at 40 mph 10% live and 90% die

The safest roads in the country are the motorways

[CANV EFM]

vroom vroom

click on 'speed' then read the one third story

[CANV EFM]

speeding does kill but no where near as much as bad driving does speed cameras do not save lives.. in fact drive down a road you dont know and you spend more time looking at the fking speedo to make sure your not doing 45 in a 40.. now if all cars came with speed limiters you could set on the move that might help but i believe a lot of motoring folk think these are dangerous say if you misjudge an overtaking manourve or something

[pabird]

Thats joined my favourites listing

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canv

you've hit the proverbial

 

"bad driving does...'

[Chubbhead EFM]

My dad was a police man for 30 odd years and he joined in the late 1970s. He said that when he joined there'd be maybe 4 or 5 higher ranking officers on duty at a time, along with a large amount of regular bobbys. But as the years went by he noticed that this number decreased and the amount of paperwork needed to record even the simplest of incidents increased. I remember once him telling me that he was the only copper on duty for the large part of a 12- hour shift! I also remember going into the staff area of his work place and him showing me where all the paper work was kept. My God, there was a huge cabinet, I couldn't believe the amount! I think it's this beauracratization of the police force which has seriously damaged their effectiveness. It's unfair to blame the police entirely,(although they do need to shoulder some blame) as they can only do what they are able to do. They are bound by their resouces (or lack of) and by the conditions set by the pen pushers at the top of the tree.

 

And CANV, as for coppers wasting time on 'politically motivated crap', I asked my dad and also did a bit of research on this for my sociology coursework. Most officers spend about 1-2 days a year on race and gender relations training days. As far as I recall, my dad mainly went on equipment training days, which is kind of vital!

[CANV EFM]

what has race and gender got to do with anything?

politically moivated crap refers to the explosion in convicted criminals and suspected criminals rights and the very paper work you refer to..

[Chubbhead EFM]

Well, I must of mis-read it then, I was only scanning to be honest.

 

BUT, these training days regarding gender and more so race DO refer to a criminals rights, or at least certain sections of the (alleged) criminal society.

[CANV EFM]

you assumed i was talking about race and gender.. it dosent bother me that you assumed this... but should it bother you? ..