TSK TSK

[CANV EFM]

lets hope this poor chap dosent have his rights violated and the police dont give him a right good kicking when/if they catch him..

poor disadvantaged soul is a little bit naughty but no harm done..

[Colin Zeal EFM]

What about his Human Rights, CANV??

 

 

[pabird]

I was going to reply but my sparse English will not allow me to truly express my thoughts

Maybe put him in a high security nick with top hard men and place your news item on the cell door

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Quote:

I've never been burgled, but I've been mugged, and I have absolutely no animosity to the bloke who did it. Do you ever wonder why people resort to burgling/mugging etc?

Posted on 3rd July 2003 - not by me, I hasten to add.

[pabird]

I take it that contributor is now under license

 

Invasion of your home or your body will make any normal person seek revenge

You may not have the tools for revenge that is why society does the job for you

 

The problem is society has forgotten its role is the wish of the people

[CANV EFM]

you gotta laugh havn't you.. 90 yrs old.. thats born in 1913!! 2 world wars cars, electricity, t.v... bloody hell even a world cup!! i bet she never thought she'd go out like that.. still a good 100 hours community service will teach the bloke a nasty lesson, even more so if he actually has to do any of em...

[pabird]

I got pulled up being cynical on a post some time back by describing certain people as socialist workers (as opposed to social workers)

 

There is a craving to control us savages by socialists that results in the vast majority of people in this country being ignored as "they" know best

 

That 90 year old Ill bet was fully alert and aware from all of her vast experience that from her teens when she was safe to walk home alone at any time of the day or night and enter her home through the door which was always left "on the snip" IE open to the push that society had never placed her at greater risk than now

 

The police have never been so out of sight, Judges have never been so out of touch, do!gooders have never been so wrong

 

Muggers 5 years first offence, 10 years 2nd and life for third (no time off for good behavior)

 

Burglars, as muggers!!

 

Community service? put Judges and Social workers on no less than 100 hours for every big and bad decision

 

 

[CANV EFM]

maybe if someone they let off or let out early reoffends, the said judge or what ever could have proportion of the next sentence

[pabird]

In the same cell as the miscreant

[CANV EFM]

heheh.. now thats justice..

[c'mon ricay]

Right so how do you intend providing all the prison spaces for youre new senticing system. Without breaking various UN, EU and world wide declartions on human rights.

[The Invisible Man]

How would you catch them in the first place? The only reason anyone bothers to report anything to the police is to get a crime number for the insurance claim. This is now done by civilian staff. The Met openly admit they won'y eve bother investigating burglaries.

 

So the only branch of the police doing anything would seem to be the traffic cops.... disband the rest to save money, and drive more carefully!

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

I'm presuming the news story has changed as it's now about Danielle Jone's Uncle

[CANV EFM]

yeah it was about an old biddy dieing after being burgaled...

in a country that can build the millenium dome some more prisons shouldn't be a problem.. as for catching them, sure why bother lets all give up, fk the place and the vunerable and elderly who cares...

or alternatively change some police priorities.. do you know any coppers? find out how much time they waste on politically motivated crap.. get em bk on the streets doing some fking detective work, having some men undercover in the criminal world..

[pabird]

If we really did as Canv and I are suggesting there just may be less people going to prison

Otherwise we could convert all those non-league grounds being inappropriatley used

How are basilricay doing [censored]-on

[EFM's Librarian]

I'll post this in reply to pabird's last message. But a warning to you all, you may find it boring - but you don't have to read it. I thought it may be nice to have the opinion of somebody who has actually researched this issue! BTW there are a lot of interesting articles on this issue (on both sides) all freely available in academic journals on the net.

 

There have been a number of major studies conducted by criminologists which,

at a minimum, question the utility of incarceration as an effective crime control policy.

The National Academy of Sciences in its two Panels (Deterrent and Incapacitation

Effects and Criminal Careers and “Career Criminals”) concluded that there is no

systematic evidence that general incapacitation and selective incapacitation has had or could have a major impact on crime rates. Similarly, a 1998 review of “what works” by Sherman et al., concluded that while the incarceration of offenders who will continue to commit crimes would reduce crime, it also noted that “ . . . the number of crimes prevented by locking up each additional offender declines with diminishing returns as less active and less serious offenders are incarcerated.

Zimring and Hawkins in their critique of selective incarceration, observed that if the key assumptions of such a policy were true, crime would have been eliminated in the United States many years ago based on the dramatic increased of persons now incarcerated.

Linsky and Strauss found that states with the highest incarceration

rates had the highest crime rates - a pattern that remains true today. Sampson and Laub found persons who experienced incarceration had higher rates of criminality.

One clear possibility is that current (sentencing) policies are producing

unintended criminogenic effects. From our perspective, imprisonment may have

powerful negative effects on the prospects of future employment and job

employment. In turn, low income, unemployment, and underemployment are

themselves linked to heightened risks of family disruption. Through its negative

effects on male employment, imprisonment may thus lead indirectly through

family disruption to increases in future rates of crime and violence. The

extremely high rate of young black males renders this scenario very real.

And Clear and Moore argue that massive rates of incarceration may actually

serve to worsen crime rates in certain low income communities by disrupting or

destabilizing already fragile social and family structures income via the deportation of large numbers of males (and parents) from their families and communities.

Criminological theory and research clearly demonstrate that the causes of crime

are complex and varied. While the response of the criminal justice system can have some impact on crime, it cannot in the long run be the most effective nor desirable policy for a society and its policy makers to adopt. In the United States, the use of incarceration may well have exceeded its potential benefits and needs to be reexamined and curtailed.

 

 

[Colin Zeal EFM]

How can they re-offend if we hang them??

 

 

[Tom S]

In other words prison may work as a punishment but it's of limited usefulness in rehabilitation.

[EFM's Librarian]

I think the really interesting issue is the reasons behind imprisonment. I agree that prison should be used as a deterrent, and as a measure for preventing dangerous people being on the streets. But my beliefs on determinism, blame, and the physical effects of the brain on mental behaviour, all mean that I don't think retribution is a good reason for imprisonment. Hence my previously ridiculed post about not feeling any animosity to the bloke who mugged me.

[CANV EFM]

i think of the victim.. if banging up the bloke who mugged someone makes the mugee feel safer knowing one less mugger in on the street thats good enough for me..