What went wrong

[blueblood]

What went wrong?

We made a very ordinary side look good, that's what.

We played 3 young kids across the back who I don't think have played together as a unit before, We lost Curtis to a hamstring injury. we played Clark( out and out winger) at left back. .With the exception of Duncan, my man of the match and Reed, who was guilty of losing his footing when going up for a ball resulting in a goal but, little else. Otherwise, he was hung out to dry by our defence. We passed a few balls around in midfield before losing it to the inevitable sloppy long ball(Stubbs usually, someone said "do you want him Jim"(ward) H'M wouldn't get into my squad) .

To their credit our forward line got no service at all from midfield, Sammy spent a lot of his time deep looking for that spherical object called a football, that was lost, somewhere between our goal line and the 1/2 way line.He did miss a great opportunity to score. His strike partner and captain seemed to be every where except in the centre.( the Gate had one shot on goal 1st half if I remember correctly)

Stubbs 2 late goals do not do anything to change my mind about his or his midfield partners performances.

This was without a doubt the most inept team performance I have seen on a football field since my boys u8's team were beaten 24-2 and, my boy the keeper got the man of the match because, he saved it from being 40 or 50 nil.

Congratulations go to our reserve keeper, George Anderson,who's college Volleyball team were successful in the English championships, in Norwich yesterday. Well done George.

[ronks41]

What went wrong?

We made a very ordinary side look good, that's what.

We played 3 young kids across the back who I don't think have played together as a unit before, We lost Curtis to a hamstring injury. we played Clark( out and out winger) at left back. .With the exception of Duncan, my man of the match and Reed, who was guilty of losing his footing when going up for a ball resulting in a goal but, little else. Otherwise, he was hung out to dry by our defence. We passed a few balls around in midfield before losing it to the inevitable sloppy long ball(Stubbs usually, someone said "do you want him Jim"(ward) H'M wouldn't get into my squad) .

To their credit our forward line got no service at all from midfield, Sammy spent a lot of his time deep looking for that spherical object called a football, that was lost, somewhere between our goal line and the 1/2 way line.He did miss a great opportunity to score. His strike partner and captain seemed to be every where except in the centre.( the Gate had one shot on goal 1st half if I remember correctly)

Stubbs 2 late goals do not do anything to change my mind about his or his midfield partners performances.

This was without a doubt the most inept team performance I have seen on a football field since my boys u8's team were beaten 24-2 and, my boy the keeper got the man of the match because, he saved it from being 40 or 50 nil.

Congratulations go to our reserve keeper, George Anderson,who's college Volleyball team were successful in the English championships, in Norwich yesterday. Well done George.

Was going to ask this via PM but, hey, what the heck, what does the 'HM' stand for then pls??

[C.A.A.]

what does the 'HM' stand for then pls??

 

 

probs hmm.....as in 'let me think'

[Dutch_Mike]

Quite simply, we were appalling, virtually to a man. Don't be fooled by the scoreline, it flattered us hugely. 3 or 4-0 would have been the correct result, considering Sittingbourne's dominance. It was embarassing to watch get us torn to shreds time and time again by a team in the division below. It was so infuriating to watch that it is difficult to really put into words. Perhaps the Sittingbourne fans described it better than I ever could: 'That's why you're going down'. Sadly, I think they're probably right.

 

The only positive to take from the game itself, for me, was the performance of Clarke who, once he was given the freedom to attack a bit more, beat the Sittingbourne full-back time and time again. Would certainly like to see him play as a wide man.

 

Also, I suppose, the prospect of Billericay or Concord Rangers away in the next round was hardly a mouth-watering tie.

[BlueGate Alan]

Can't comment on game as couldn't make it. However looking back on Harrow match I seem to remember Dan Stubbs getting the MOTM on our poll (quite easily too) with Wayne in second place. All players have an off game I guess, though it does sound like that virtually the whole team did. As for MB it was stated in paper he was having difficulty getting time of work so maybe thats why he wasn't there?

[blueblood]

What went wrong?

We made a very ordinary side look good, that's what.

We played 3 young kids across the back who I don't think have played together as a unit before, We lost Curtis to a hamstring injury. we played Clark( out and out winger) at left back. .With the exception of Duncan, my man of the match and Reed, who was guilty of losing his footing when going up for a ball resulting in a goal but, little else. Otherwise, he was hung out to dry by our defence. We passed a few balls around in midfield before losing it to the inevitable sloppy long ball(Stubbs usually, someone said "do you want him Jim"(ward) H'M wouldn't get into my squad) .

To their credit our forward line got no service at all from midfield, Sammy spent a lot of his time deep looking for that spherical object called a football, that was lost, somewhere between our goal line and the 1/2 way line.He did miss a great opportunity to score. His strike partner and captain seemed to be every where except in the centre.( the Gate had one shot on goal 1st half if I remember correctly)

Stubbs 2 late goals do not do anything to change my mind about his or his midfield partners performances.

This was without a doubt the most inept team performance I have seen on a football field since my boys u8's team were beaten 24-2 and, my boy the keeper got the man of the match because, he saved it from being 40 or 50 nil.

Congratulations go to our reserve keeper, George Anderson,who's college Volleyball team were successful in the English championships, in Norwich yesterday. Well done George.

Was going to ask this via PM but, hey, what the heck, what does the 'HM' stand for then pls??

a type of grunt in disbelief at the question, accompanied with a shake of the head.

Sorry "BGA" but, you really had to be there to be able to understand the strength of our comments. As you know I normally do not condone the calling of players but, sometimes you get to the point where enough is enough. As you know I drive the Mini Bus to away games,it was so bad that at the moment I am considering just sitting in the bus next time, not bother pay my admittion fee to watch.

[freefred]

I'm gonna be thick again, after all its what I'm good at. From reading the reports and from looking at the line-up, I cant see what formation we were playing, and who was playing where. I know the comment is gonna be no one was playing in any recognisable position, but we knew before the start that it was gonna be an experimental line up. I know Reed is signed as a central defender, but I have a feeling his partner from last night wasn't. Is this correct? Is what we found out last night really a case of looking to see if we have any versatile players, with that answer looking to be a resounding no? I know there are very few positives from this result, but is this the line up we would see in a league match?

[ronks41]

What went wrong?

We made a very ordinary side look good, that's what.

We played 3 young kids across the back who I don't think have played together as a unit before, We lost Curtis to a hamstring injury. we played Clark( out and out winger) at left back. .With the exception of Duncan, my man of the match and Reed, who was guilty of losing his footing when going up for a ball resulting in a goal but, little else. Otherwise, he was hung out to dry by our defence. We passed a few balls around in midfield before losing it to the inevitable sloppy long ball(Stubbs usually, someone said "do you want him Jim"(ward) H'M wouldn't get into my squad) .

To their credit our forward line got no service at all from midfield, Sammy spent a lot of his time deep looking for that spherical object called a football, that was lost, somewhere between our goal line and the 1/2 way line.He did miss a great opportunity to score. His strike partner and captain seemed to be every where except in the centre.( the Gate had one shot on goal 1st half if I remember correctly)

Stubbs 2 late goals do not do anything to change my mind about his or his midfield partners performances.

This was without a doubt the most inept team performance I have seen on a football field since my boys u8's team were beaten 24-2 and, my boy the keeper got the man of the match because, he saved it from being 40 or 50 nil.

Congratulations go to our reserve keeper, George Anderson,who's college Volleyball team were successful in the English championships, in Norwich yesterday. Well done George.

Was going to ask this via PM but, hey, what the heck, what does the 'HM' stand for then pls??

a type of grunt in disbelief at the question, accompanied with a shake of the head.

Sorry "BGA" but, you really had to be there to be able to understand the strength of our comments. As you know I normally do not condone the calling of players but, sometimes you get to the point where enough is enough. As you know I drive the Mini Bus to away games,it was so bad that at the moment I am considering just sitting in the bus next time, not bother pay my admittion fee to watch.

Maybe I am missing something.........forgive me for displaying my ignorance and causing you to grunt and shake your head. What did it stand for pls? and yes I agree to a man extememly embarassing and frustrating as stated today. I also cannot understand the continued 'downturn' for want of a better term. Having aggravated a pre-existing knee injury last week by kicking a nearby advertising board pitchside I did it again last night too. The agony is both physical and emotional for some of us.

[margateshot]

The really frightening thing is that we have got Sutton on Saturday, is it going to be another drubbing?

[Cookie]

Not there Wednesday but the result says it all. Too many changes week in & week out .We need to get a settled side once & for all & THEN we will see results go our way.

Ramsgate were demoted last season mainly because JW kept changing staff week in week out. It didnt work! This season he started off doing the same & Ramsgate were getting poor results. Now he more or less has a settled first eleven & they are reaping the rewards with mediocre players. Its time we learnt from this & did the same.

Look, we have a budget that resticts us from getting the "better" player so with that in mind we have to accept what we have.

I'm sure we have some very good players at this level that are just not showing their true form. Why?, because they are playing with strangers every other game. We have what we have & its now time to get a settled first eleven together & play them together reguarly. It may take a few more games to get a result but we WILL get results after the bonding has set in.If we continue to do as we are doing now swapping & changing it will only get worse.

These players, I'm positive of it, will get their rewards once they are playing together on a regular basis & when the manager decides "no more intakes, lets push on with what we have & get a regular eleven out there"

Also, to get those players to play a game of catch up from the word "go" (i.e 1st minute) rather than waiting for the horse to have bolted.

Or once going in front to continue to believe they are chasing the game rather than them thinking differently at that time. Get those minds thinking the same with the same first eleven each week & we'll see improvement all round.

Thats my opinion,although I'm sure there are other contributing factors. Are we not good enough? I don't think thats the case.I think we are more than good but at the moment, nothings working & everyone is getting more & more irritable & embarrassed. It has to stop!,it has to change!

[michael]

Agree with most of that Cookie, and whilst the 'settle side' has obvious benefits, don't you think we still need mnimally that strong experienced central defender and a target man ?

 

Once we get those two positions filled; then i'd go along with the settled side idea.

[C.A.A.]

a type of grunt in disbelief at the question, accompanied with a shake of the head.

 

Maybe I am missing something.........forgive me for displaying my ignorance and causing you to grunt and shake your head. What did it stand for pls?

 

 

Think you will find that was the answer to your question.

[Wellsie]

Agree with most of that Cookie, and whilst the 'settle side' has obvious benefits, don't you think we still need mnimally that strong experienced central defender and a target man ?

 

Once we get those two positions filled; then i'd go along with the settled side idea.

 

At the risk of stating the obvious, work is ongoing at the club to address these issues. But for a number of reasons it takes time.

[blueblood]

We are aware of that Steve.How the board are managing to keep it going goodness knows. Cliff is working miricles in these hard times. I would say the majority of the gate at the last home game had tickets from the Wealdestone game so, really the Sutton game will be the first home game in about 10 weeks.

I know the lads have the Talent to get us out of the situation but, last night was a shocker. As Cookie said, we need a settled side. We need a centre half and a centre forward, then, I believe you will see the best of Lloyd, someone who he can feed off. Reed, in general had a good game, Back 3 did not have any understanding, this will settle down after Xmas with the return of Dan and Louis (can we afford to wait though) We have 2 good wing backs in Curtis and Aaron. 1 out of our 4 midfielders who are upto it . 2 off the quickest wingers in the league, pity we can only accomodate one at a time and, only half of what is needed up front.

[blue balls]

We just don't seem to have that "winning mentality" or work ethic with too many players going through the motions (particularly some midfield players) and not rolling up their sleeves and fighting and scrapping for 90 minutes. Whether MB can help to instill this into them remains to be seen but surely it has to come from the players themselves. Agreed though that it cant help with some many changes from week to week. Lets hope MB has them all fired up for Sutton on Saturday(snow permitting)!

[Cookie]

Agree with most of that Cookie, and whilst the 'settle side' has obvious benefits, don't you think we still need mnimally that strong experienced central defender and a target man ?

 

Once we get those two positions filled; then i'd go along with the settled side idea.

Michael,Dan Young is our central defender (now fully experienced & always looks strong).& I'm hoping he will be back anyday now to help shore up the defence or at the very least help prevent oppositions from scoring in the way that they are doing at the moment against us. I presume you are talking in ADDITION to Dan though. Hmmmmm!

As for a target man we have Lloyd who I believe is more than good enough.

We have the players here already.Lets get on with it with what we have here now.

Now we just need a family playing together each game (as best as can be done,dependent on fitness,suspensions etc) rather than family & friends. Also to add to that & as Blue balls mentions above get that winning mentality into their heads too but for the FULL 90 minutes.

As for Wellsies comment,yes I'm sure things are in the pipeline but we are now nearly midway through the season & we should be playing that "family" now week-in week-out rather than still experimenting. No panic just yet but time does pass by quickly as we all know too well.

[Cookie]

P.S I have taken into account the "time" that MB has been here.The amount of games he has seen them in (7) plus the nights of training to assess abilities.

I would like to add that I for one am happy with some of those MB has brought in whom I think are a big improvement but now is the time to PLAY them,together,reguarly & for the full 90 minutes each game if possible & not have them sitting on those benches.

[blueblood]

Unfortunately "Cookie" the result didn't say it all but,hey, its water under the bridge know. In my last post I didn't say that my man of the match was James Duncan. He had some good touches, more importantly looked good on the ball.

Hopefully like Margate itself, the Gate team hit rock bottom on Wednesday night and' the true regeneration starts Saturday when we deservedly stuff Sutton. I hope the lads are still hurting enough from their previous encounters to play with the passion the spectators who pay their money week in week out deserve.

[Dutch_Mike]

Personally, just think we are still not good enough. Massive re-vamp of the squad is the only solution, with only a few good enough to remain. Unfortunately, the time for that is not now, at such a crucial stage of the season. Yet, if we stick with what we've got, I can only see us getting relegated, in my opinion (but then what do I know?). Saturday could be a thumping I fear.

[michael]

I equally fear the same for tomorrow DM.

 

On one hand-want a postponement as gives MB more time to get a better squad available/more time for Young to get closer to a start/will be a poor crowd anyway.

 

On the other hand-the club needs the revenue.However as above will be a poor crowd anyway-just before christmans and after wednesdays result.

 

No doubt some will say-we need games-but whats the point of playing the games to lose them anyway.Any fixture build up is no worse than most other teams either;and its better to have games in hand than play and lose.

 

Hopefully by mid jan-MB will have a few quality additions-not just 'squad players',so on balance-i hope tomorrows game is postponed