Amanda Knox - Guilty or Innocent

[Brounmoney]

I am sorry everyone I did no know I was in English class. Could you please help me with my English cause I have no idea how to talk. The British are so smart they know how to do everything. I don't know how America became a nation because I am not sure we can do anything with out the British.

[sjj2112]

I did not spell it right once so that makes me an idiot? I am using an iPhone so it happens.

 

I am really here to talk about Amanda Knox, and I think there are only 2 of you that want to discuss this matter. The rest just Want to take shots at me. So all of you that have a problem with me what do you think about Amanda Knox? What this topic was suppose to be about.

 

As someone who is so hung up on "facts" you actually used the word America or American 4 times and managed the correct spelling only once. The excuse that it is because you are using an iPhone is pretty poor, either learn to use the technology correctly or don't bother.

 

As to your comment "shut up about Amercia cause none of you have been here and have no idea about Amercians only what you see on tv" I will just say that I have visited the US on 5 occasions and have a number of American friends. How many times have you visited the UK, or as is more pertinent in this case, Italy. Do you even own a passport?

 

As to Amanda Knox there really isn't anything to "discuss." There are those people who believe she is innocent and won't countenance any evidence that challenges this view. Equally there are those that think she is guilty and won't believe anything different. All that happens is that any discussion descends, as this one has done, in to two factions calling each other names.

 

At the end of the day it is down to the Italian judiciary to reach a decision and none of the billions of words spouted on the subject on the internet will have any bearing on that outcome. What will happen is that a decision will be reached and one side will set off yet again protesting that it is wrong and the other side will smugly pronounce that "we told you so." There will then probably be another appeal and the whole cycle will start again.

 

Feel free to rail against the world. I won't bother posting on the subject again - I have too many other things to occupy my time.

Edited March 7, 2011 by sjj2112

[BUFC]

I don't know how America became a nation because I am not sure we can do anything with out the British.

 

 

you said it, you bunch of Johnny come latelys............

[Loose]

 

 

At the end of the day it is down to the Italian judiciary to reach a decision and none of the billions of words spouted on the subject on the internet will have any bearing on that outcome.

 

Fair post SJJ, before her initial trial Knox was "innocent until proven guilty" however as she now appeals she is guilty until proved innocent, none of what we say will have any bearing on any of it but since the original title of the thread was "Amanda Knox - Gulity or Innocent (there should be a ? mark at the end but our dear friend doesn't know that) so it's a discussion. Should be based on opinion and it helps if you actually find out something about the case rather than just posting links positive to your particular cause or harping on and on about non existent evidence as opposed to actual evidence. It's a free forum and as Ian W always says - anything goes.

 

Still, it's all gotten a bit silly when contributors can't help themselves from becoming hysterical.

[Brounmoney]

I did not spell it right once so that makes me an idiot? I am using an iPhone so it happens.

 

I am really here to talk about Amanda Knox, and I think there are only 2 of you that want to discuss this matter. The rest just Want to take shots at me. So all of you that have a problem with me what do you think about Amanda Knox? What this topic was suppose to be about.

 

As someone who is so hung up on "facts" you actually used the word America or American 4 times and managed the correct spelling only once. The excuse that it is because you are using an iPhone is pretty poor, either learn to use the technology correctly or don't bother.

 

As to your comment "shut up about Amercia cause none of you have been here and have no idea about Amercians only what you see on tv" I will just say that I have visited the US on 5 occasions and have a number of American friends. How many times have you visited the UK, or as is more pertinent in this case, Italy. Do you even own a passport?

 

As to Amanda Knox there really isn't anything to "discuss." There are those people who believe she is innocent and won't countenance any evidence that challenges this view. Equally there are those that think she is guilty and won't believe anything different. All that happens is that any discussion descends, as this one has done, in to two factions calling each other names.

 

At the end of the day it is down to the Italian judiciary to reach a decision and none of the billions of words spouted on the subject on the internet will have any bearing on that outcome. What will happen is that a decision will be reached and one side will set off yet again protesting that it is wrong and the other side will smugly pronounce that "we told you so." There will then probably be another appeal and the whole cycle will start again.

 

Feel free to rail against the world. I won't bother posting on the subject again - I have too many other things to occupy my time.

 

 

Right off I just want to say that I was not talking to you when I was talking about coming to America. Misunderstood jump in and called me a red neck because I did not believe that Bush and Blair did anything wrong. For some reason you took my response to him as a shot at you. I was not making that statement for you at all. I don't care if you have been to America before, but I am sure you did not read Loose comment about me just supporting the USA. I am still unsure when this became more than me and loose talking to one another. It seems to me that he can take a shot at me and everyone will back him up, but if I say one thing back at him then everyone jumps on me. Just read the past 20 posts on here and you will see what I am talking about. I am sorry to here you go. I think you have some good points, but I never starting to post to start a fight. I only wanted to hear what people thought about Amanda. If you are done then so be it, but I would like to hear what you have to say.

 

 

[Loose]

Hysterical, what can you do?

[Brounmoney]

At the end of the day it is down to the Italian judiciary to reach a decision and none of the billions of words spouted on the subject on the internet will have any bearing on that outcome.

 

Fair post SJJ, before her initial trial Knox was "innocent until proven guilty" however as she now appeals she is guilty until proved innocent, none of what we say will have any bearing on any of it but since the original title of the thread was "Amanda Knox - Gulity or Innocent (there should be a ? mark at the end but our dear friend doesn't know that) so it's a discussion. Should be based on opinion and it helps if you actually find out something about the case rather than just posting links positive to your particular cause or harping on and on about non existent evidence as opposed to actual evidence. It's a free forum and as Ian W always says - anything goes.

 

Still, it's all gotten a bit silly when contributors can't help themselves from becoming hysterical.

 

So you would like to have a real discussion about this. I am game. That is the way my first post was going, but you wanted to bring in that fact of were I am from.

 

 

 

[Loose]

No sunshine, you brought up where you are from but since you can't seem to keep from getting over emotional and making it a personal thing about what country who is from I don't think you can have a sensible discussion.

[Brounmoney]

No sunshine, you brought up where you are from but since you can't seem to keep from getting over emotional and making it a personal thing about what country who is from I don't think you can have a sensible discussion.

 

 

 

Oh really that is cool. You may want to go back and read your first couple of post to me, but hey what ever. Keep trying to act your post were calm and were open to discussion. Please first post took a shot a Rhodes, so please don't tell me all you do is talk about the subject at hand. You do a real good job of going off topic, and making trouble.

 

 

[missunderstood]

No sunshine, you brought up where you are from but since you can't seem to keep from getting over emotional and making it a personal thing about what country who is from I don't think you can have a sensible discussion.

 

 

 

Oh really that is cool. You may want to go back and read your first couple of post to me, but hey what ever. Keep trying to act your post were calm and were open to discussion. Please first post took a shot a Rhodes, so please don't tell me all you do is talk about the subject at hand. You do a real good job of going off topic, and making trouble.

 

 

 

 

What you need to try and understand is that forums often go off topic, as it keeps them fresh and interesting. It also has to be said that the vast majority of people that contribute to this forum have the ability to write in a coherent fashion and spell correctly, things you are obviously incapable of.

 

Perhaps you could practice your writing skills by answering a simple question, do you believe that ex president Bush, and Tony Blair are mass murderers? and do you think it acceptable that America kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people? in countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, and afghanistan?

Edited March 7, 2011 by missunderstood

[Brounmoney]

[quote name=Loose' timestamp='1299508600'

post='1708890]

No sunshine, you brought up where you are from but since you can't seem to keep from getting over emotional and

making it a personal thing about what

country who is from I don't think you can

have a sensible discussion.

 

 

 

 

Oh really that is cool. You may want to

go back and read your first couple of

post to me, but hey what ever. Keep

trying to act your post were calm and

were open to discussion. Please first

post took a shot a Rhodes, so please

don't tell me all you do is talk about the

subject at hand. You do a real good job

of going off topic, and making trouble.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What you need to try and understand is that forums often go off topic, as it keeps them fresh and interesting. It also has to be said that the vast majority of people that contribute to this forum have the ability to write in a coherent fashion and spell correctly, things you are obviously incapable of.

 

Perhaps you could practice your writing skills by answering a simple question, do you believe that ex president Bush, and Tony Blair are mass murderers? and do you think it acceptable that America kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people? in countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, and afghanistan?

 

 

Ok misunderstood I understand that the forum may get off track just a little. I am fine with it not being just about Amanda, but Loose takes it to another level.

 

I want to answer your question and thought I did before. First of all when in the last 30 years has the US attacked or killed people in Vietnam? I do not think that Bush is a murder. Bush did what he thought he had to do. I don't think any of us could ever understand what it is like to be the president of United States Of America, so for me to question that decision would be stupid. I am not as you put is a Christian red neck. I am a Christian that loves where I lives. If that is such a bad thing sorry I don't care. Again I ask you what do you think was happening in Iraq before the US attacked? I have no problem talking about this with you. I would like some respect to my opinion, and I will give you respect.

Edited March 7, 2011 by Brounmoney

[Loose]

By respect he means you have to agree with him, if you don't, the respect he will give you is calling you a jackass.

[Brounmoney]

By respect he means you have to agree with him, if you don't, the respect he will give you is calling you a jackass.

 

 

No you never gave me respect from your very first post. Go check it out. By the way I am not sure anyone was talking to you.

[Loose]

It's a forum chap. you make a comment, anyone can jump in. You want a private discussion, send a pm or phone a friend. No, I don't respect you, you were rude from the off which I notice you make a habit of.

[Brounmoney]

It's a forum chap. you make a comment, anyone can jump in. You want a private discussion, send a pm or phone a

friend. No, I don't respect you, you were

rude from the off which I notice you

make a habit of.

 

 

From the off? What does that mean?

Who has the problem now? Please don't

bother me any more. No I do not agree

with your opinion about Amanda, but

you jumped on that right from the start

and ran with it. No I ask a question with

my first post that ask about where you

were from cause your opinion seemed

very one sided. I ask you again to check

what you wrote the first time. I do give

respect when given some. I would be glad to talk about Amanda with you or anything else if you want to show some respect. Yea I was rude, but only cause you gave me a reason. Was I ever rude with Rhodes? I have not seen one post were you did not smart off to someone. I do respect that your opinion is different let's talk about it.

Edited March 7, 2011 by Brounmoney

[Loose]

You're becoming hysterical again, I can see it's no use, I'll leave you to it until you can control yourself.

[missunderstood]

[quote name=Loose' timestamp='1299508600'

post='1708890]

No sunshine, you brought up where you are from but since you can't seem to keep from getting over emotional and

making it a personal thing about what

country who is from I don't think you can

have a sensible discussion.

 

 

 

 

Oh really that is cool. You may want to

go back and read your first couple of

post to me, but hey what ever. Keep

trying to act your post were calm and

were open to discussion. Please first

post took a shot a Rhodes, so please

don't tell me all you do is talk about the

subject at hand. You do a real good job

of going off topic, and making trouble.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What you need to try and understand is that forums often go off topic, as it keeps them fresh and interesting. It also has to be said that the vast majority of people that contribute to this forum have the ability to write in a coherent fashion and spell correctly, things you are obviously incapable of.

 

Perhaps you could practice your writing skills by answering a simple question, do you believe that ex president Bush, and Tony Blair are mass murderers? and do you think it acceptable that America kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people? in countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, and afghanistan?

 

 

Ok misunderstood I understand that the forum may get off track just a little. I am fine with it not being just about Amanda, but Loose takes it to another level.

 

I want to answer your question and thought I did before. First of all when in the last 30 years has the US attacked or killed people in Vietnam? I do not think that Bush is a murder. Bush did what he thought he had to do. I don't think any of us could ever understand what it is like to be the president of United States Of America, so for me to question that decision would be stupid. I am not as you put is a Christian red neck. I am a Christian that loves where I lives. If that is such a bad thing sorry I don't care. Again I ask you what do you think was happening in Iraq before the US attacked? I have no problem talking about this with you. I would like some respect to my opinion, and I will give you respect.

 

 

So you think that Bush is not a murderer because "he did what he thought he had to do". Does that mean you feel the atrocities that where carried out on the orders of Adolph Hitler, Pol Pot, and even Osama Bin Laden where perfectly acceptable because they also undeniably did what they thought they had to do.

 

Perhaps you would also like to explain how you can call yourself a christian, and not condemn the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, including the Vietnamese and Cambodians over thirty years ago.

 

Also, when do you expect to personally be involved in one of the armed conflicts you obviously support, or are you just an armchair warrior who thinks it OK for others to be maimed or die, but consider yourself far to precious or important.

Edited March 7, 2011 by missunderstood

[Brounmoney]

Appeal Judges know that Amanda was there - she said so herself!!! Amanda Knox lets this fact slip whilst under

surveillance talking to her parents, the evidence used in Guede's trial can now be used as fresh evidence in the appeal

to debunk any claims otherwise. What

is just as interesting is that her parents

have known the truth all along and yet

began this media and viral campaign

slurring the Italian Judicial system.

 

 

 

Ok loose it looks like you are on the side of Amanda being guilty which if you are from London would not be a surprise at all. You guys all want Amanda to have done it, and thinks she did. The reason that she is jail right now is because she is American, and you can not tell me other wise. The reason her boyfriend is there is well is that if she did it he must have had a part. You posting this artical about her saying she was there is just BS. have you ever heard of the media twisting things around. Come on and the part of the artical at the end when it said she was switching her story from the very start is wrong. Look at the reports. She said she was with her boyfriend that night and she said that until they pretty much made her change her story. I agree that this was a really bad thing, and I am praying for Merediths family, but to just jump right on the American come you can do better than this. Please take a lot at some other info on this case and then maybe you can come up with an informed opionion.

 

 

 

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Ok this was my first ever post. Yes it was send to you, but I was just trying to prove a point. Yea it was a little rude sorry, but my point I thought should be worded that way. If you do not want to talk to me again fine, but I have nothing against you and would like to continue talk. The ball is in your court. We got off on the wrong foot.

 

 

 

[Loose]

 

 

Ok this was my first ever post. Yes it was send to you, but I was just trying to prove a point. Yea it was a little rude sorry, but my point I thought should be worded that way. If you do not want to talk to me again fine, but I have nothing against you and would like to continue talk. The ball is in your court. We got off on the wrong foot.

 

 

 

 

Very well, I accept your apology and I'm glad that you appreciate that by assuming that I came from London was your first mistake, there are over 60 million people living in the UK and only about 8 million of them live in the Capital. But you also waved the racist card and no matter how sensitive you must be you mustn't assume that it is all about her being american. Why does she get so much attention? Because it was a heinous and despicable crime but nonetheless I wonder why she deserves so much attention and blind support just because she is an american when there are currently over 2.3 million people in US jails. Do they all get this level of biased support? No. There is a natural assumption particularly by americans and their flag wavers because the crime and punishment take place in another country, a country that has just a little more history and civilisation than the 230 odd years that the USA can attest to. Have a little respect yourself, you jump on here assuming that it's some sort of British bashing of yanks. This is a UK based forum but also happens to be multicultural and we are all entitled to our opinions whether you think we have done our research or not.

 

Perhaps you could take the time to learn a bit of forum etiquette, might help you express your own opinions.

[Brounmoney]

[quote name=Loose' timestamp='1299508600'

post='1708890]

No sunshine, you brought up where you are from but since you can't seem to keep from getting over emotional and

making it a personal thing about what

country who is from I don't think you can

have a sensible discussion.

 

 

 

 

Oh really that is cool. You may want to

go back and read your first couple of

post to me, but hey what ever. Keep

trying to act your post were calm and

were open to discussion. Please first

post took a shot a Rhodes, so please

don't tell me all you do is talk about the

subject at hand. You do a real good job

of going off topic, and making trouble.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What you need to try and understand is that forums often go off topic, as it keeps them fresh and interesting. It also has to be said that the vast majority of people that contribute to this forum have the ability to write in a coherent fashion and spell correctly, things you are obviously incapable of.

 

Perhaps you could practice your writing skills by answering a simple question, do you believe that ex president Bush, and Tony Blair are mass murderers? and do you think it acceptable that America kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people? in countries like Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, and afghanistan?

 

 

Ok misunderstood I understand that the forum may get off track just a little. I am fine with it not being just about Amanda, but Loose takes it to another level.

 

I want to answer your question and thought I did before. First of all when in the last 30 years has the US attacked or killed people in Vietnam? I do not think that Bush is a murder. Bush did what he thought he had to do. I don't think any of us could ever understand what it is like to be the president of United States Of America, so for me to question that decision would be stupid. I am not as you put is a Christian red neck. I am a Christian that loves where I lives. If that is such a bad thing sorry I don't care. Again I ask you what do you think was happening in Iraq before the US attacked? I have no problem talking about this with you. I would like some respect to my opinion, and I will give you respect.

 

 

So you think that Bush is not a murderer because "he did what he thought he had to do". Does that mean you feel the atrocities that where carried out on the orders of Adolph Hitler, Pol Pot, and even Osama Bin Laden where perfectly acceptable because they also undeniably did what they thought they had to do.

 

Perhaps you would also like to explain how you can call yourself a christian, and not condemn the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives, including the Vietnamese and Cambodians over thirty years ago.

 

 

Alright misunderstood I kind of understand the way you are thinking, but not completely. Now what Hitler did was not right at all. Let me see If i understand what you are saying. Bush sent bombs to be dropped on military points in Iraq right? Hitler had Jews put in death camps just because he did not like the race of the people right? Now if at this point I have gone wrong sorry, but this is the way I see it. Does this make them the same thing. Yes innocent people were killed in the attacks on Iraq, but do you think that war should never happen? If that is the case then we may never agree on this or even come close. I am asking these questions in respect to your opinion. You said "explain how you can call yourself a christian, and condemn the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives." I can call myself a christian because in the bible there were lots of wars. Sodom and Gomorrah would be my first example. If you don't know this story please let me know and I will tell you.

not sure why the text got bigger but on well. My next point would be that God destroyed the earth with a flood. There were people that really had done nothing wrong, but God only spared Noah and his family. Bush is not God or anything even close, but innocent lives are a cost of war. I do not like it at all, but I also did not like what happened on 9/11 or any of the other attacks on other nations. That is how I can call myself a christian. If you don't understand just ask I will be happy to answer.