A Worrying Trend?

[freefred]

I see in the news that Alan Curbishley has won his case for unfair dismissal against West Ham United. Why do I find this worrying? Alan Curbishley has won an unfair dismissal case despite the fact he was not fired from his job, he resigned. He handed in his notice after the board sold Anton Ferdinand and George Mcartney to Sunderland ignoring a clause in his contract saying he had the final say in who was bought and sold. This, to a layman, looks like breach of contract at most not unfair dismissal. Does this now leave football clubs in a position where a manager can resign claiming board interference made his position untenable? What is now classed as board interference? Could a board member saying why did you play sos and so he had a terrible game be made to stand up as board interference?

 

More to the point does Terry Yorath resigning for the reasons I have heard now leave Margate open for an unfair dismissal claim? After all some of the reasons I have heard definately sound like board interference and a precedent has now been set. Would an unfair dismissal claim be enough to finish Margate off after all the troubles with the taxman? Am I paranoid? (no dont answer that I know I'm paranoid). Just wondered on other peoples opinions.

[Wellsie]

I wouldn't worry. I doubt Terry's contract was THAT similar to Alan Curbishley's.

[BlueGate Alan]

No he is too much of a gentleman to do that am sure, plus it had nothing to do with club interfering and selling players behind his back.

[geoff pay]

Terry possibly had an incling that there was some head hunting going on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Drummer]

I see in the news that Alan Curbishley has won his case for unfair dismissal against West Ham United. Why do I find this worrying? Alan Curbishley has won an unfair dismissal case despite the fact he was not fired from his job, he resigned. He handed in his notice after the board sold Anton Ferdinand and George Mcartney to Sunderland ignoring a clause in his contract saying he had the final say in who was bought and sold. This, to a layman, looks like breach of contract at most not unfair dismissal. Does this now leave football clubs in a position where a manager can resign claiming board interference made his position untenable? What is now classed as board interference? Could a board member saying why did you play sos and so he had a terrible game be made to stand up as board interference?

 

More to the point does Terry Yorath resigning for the reasons I have heard now leave Margate open for an unfair dismissal claim? After all some of the reasons I have heard definately sound like board interference and a precedent has now been set. Would an unfair dismissal claim be enough to finish Margate off after all the troubles with the taxman? Am I paranoid? (no dont answer that I know I'm paranoid). Just wondered on other peoples opinions.

As I understand it was Constructive Dismissal - there is a big difference.

[freefred]

That would make much more sense, I was merely going on the reports I have seen which all stated unfair dismissal.

[Guernsey Tom]

Wouldnt worry too much, the rules relating to non contracted managers and players are a bit different i think and I agree, TY too much of a gentleman

[michael]

I think any board of directors(such as west hams ) who give their manager such a contract in the first place are bonkers.

 

Managers need managing and the Board should have final control come what may.

 

A bad manager can ruin a club financially so why give them free rein.

 

Frankly -it concerned me at the recent froum when KP said that the manager is allowed to 'get on with it'.

 

For me-someone always needs to 'manage the manager' (look what a mess trott made of things as no-one stepped in to stop him.

 

Why do so many Boards give their managers free rein-ludicrous.

[freefred]

I would think its because most board members know didley squat about football, mind you looking at it it seems a lot of managers know diddly squat about football as well.

[michael]

True on both counts.

 

The way i see it though is that ultimately football is a business and football is purely the product-so why do Directors so frequently give free rein to managers and thus allow them to sabotage the business.

[Drummer]

True on both counts.

 

The way i see it though is that ultimately football is a business and football is purely the product-so why do Directors so frequently give free rein to managers and thus allow them to sabotage the business.

 

All of this assumes that we all know what was in Alan Curbishley's (or anyone else's) contract of course.

[DEREK]

I would think its because most board members know didley squat about football, mind you looking at it it seems a lot of managers know diddly squat about football as well.

Who does know about football, the real game died long ago, now we have posers, cheats, pansies, refs who throw yellow cards about like confetti, fortunatly football at our level has not sunk quite as far as so called premier teams. And as for players trying to get fellow players booked, thats another gripe. Bring back the hard men I say. (Something for discussion maybe)

[BlueGate Alan]

Agree Derek, plus the ball is so light today no wonder shots swerve and dip so much, bring back the leather, laced football I say

[freefred]

I would think its because most board members know didley squat about football, mind you looking at it it seems a lot of managers know diddly squat about football as well.

Who does know about football, the real game died long ago, now we have posers, cheats, pansies, refs who throw yellow cards about like confetti, fortunatly football at our level has not sunk quite as far as so called premier teams. And as for players trying to get fellow players booked, thats another gripe. Bring back the hard men I say. (Something for discussion maybe)

I sort of agree, after all my favourite player ever is Julian Dicks, a hard man who could thread an amazing pass, but also kick someone up in the air if they deserved it. It used to give the more skillful players a decent base to work from, with a known hard man you knew if you tried to kick a skillful player out of the game it was coming back to you in spaes when (in this case) Dicksy got near you. Refs do seem to be very card happy now, but thats at every level even down as far as us.

[Drummer]

Agree Derek, plus the ball is so light today no wonder shots swerve and dip so much, bring back the leather, laced football I say

 

As long as the lace is facing the other way on crosses and corners!

 

And on a really wet day the goalie lets the full back take the goal kick in case the ball doesn't clear the penalty area.

[djw]

During the war ......

[acdc]

Your absolutely right Michael the employer should retain the right to make the final decision.The directors took what was in their opinion the best decision in the interests of the club and that is what they are there for.Curbishley felt that by not letting him have the final say on the transfers that he had to leave his job but if he does that it is up to him he should not be allowed to claim that he was effectively dissmissed through constructive dismissal.Unfortunately at Industrial tribunals the odds are weighted 90% to 10% in favour of the employee and that is not fair,it should be a level playing field.Most tribunals are headed by politically correct idiots who have no idea of how difficult it is to run a business and all they are doing is creating anarchy in the workplace,where employers are now to frightened to make what they think are sensible decisions.Of couse all this is government led and just another example of how the Labour Govn.are destroying this country.

[acdc]

Sorry the last line should say "Have destoyed this country" and I had to laugh at djw comment "After the war" but if we went back 50 years this country was a far better place than it is now.

[john558]

Agree Derek, plus the ball is so light today no wonder shots swerve and dip so much, bring back the leather, laced football I say

 

And don't forget to rub your boots with Dubbin

[DEREK]

I would think its because most board members know didley squat about football, mind you looking at it it seems a lot of managers know diddly squat about football as well.

Who does know about football, the real game died long ago, now we have posers, cheats, pansies, refs who throw yellow cards about like confetti, fortunatly football at our level has not sunk quite as far as so called premier teams. And as for players trying to get fellow players booked, thats another gripe. Bring back the hard men I say. (Something for discussion maybe)

I sort of agree, after all my favourite player ever is Julian Dicks, a hard man who could thread an amazing pass, but also kick someone up in the air if they deserved it. It used to give the more skillful players a decent base to work from, with a known hard man you knew if you tried to kick a skillful player out of the game it was coming back to you in spaes when (in this case) Dicksy got near you. Refs do seem to be very card happy now, but thats at every level even down as far as us.

I expect refs watch to much "football" on the telly, a good (poor)example in the Fullham game last night