David Gray

[Colin Zeal EFM]

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Maybe so, but Nirvana weren't mainstream during their early years, were they?

Your point being...??

[Chubbhead EFM]

David Gray is really popular in Ireland and has been for ages. Hasn't he been releasing records for about 10 years or some ridiculously long length of time as that?

[GHA EFM]

Bruce Springsteen wasn't mainstream during his early years. That was my point.

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Born To Run came in 1975 and immediately put him into rock's first division. This superb album contained a wealth of lyrical frustration, anger and hope. The playing was faultless and the quality of the songs was among his best. Critics and fans loved it, and the album was a significant hit on both sides of the Atlantic. During the accompanying tour Springsteen collected rave reviews and appeared as cover feature in both Newsweek and Time.

 

That tells me he was. That is my point.

 

 

[Chubbhead EFM]

CAN THE BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN DEBATE PLEASE STOP!!!! HE'S CRAP, JUST FACE IT.

 

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[Colin Zeal EFM]

He-heh! Nicely put, Chubbster!!

 

 

[GHA EFM]

I didn't ask what your point was, Zeal.

 

How can you use a quote that contains the idea that 'Born to Run was brilliant etc' but then also agree with Chubbokoko that 'he's crap' ??

 

You are criticising your own source. That's hardly wise.

[Colin Zeal EFM]

If you say so.

 

 

[GHA EFM]

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If you say so.

Makes a change from the 'you're wrong, just accept it' argument.

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[Colin Zeal EFM]

Whatever. At least I know.

 

 

[GHA EFM]

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Fantastic, Zeal, keep 'em comin'...

[Stu B]

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Oh and Fleet Boy, if you're going to V2003 for both days catch I am Kloot in the JJB area, I am trying to convert people as their recent single doesn't do them justice!

Will do,along with Inspiral carpets(i've heard some it and found it dull but will see them anyway.

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Exactly! Actually, talking of crap pop: did anyone see One True Voice's new single on TOTP. F*****g awful! and I mean that, I don't secretly like it...oh dear this could get confusing.

Daniel(i think his name is)from OTV,comes from Gravesend,his dad teaches at the girls grammar school in gravesend and they interviewed his class there and loads of my mates got on tv!

[Colin Zeal EFM]

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Fantastic, Zeal, keep 'em comin'...

Look, mate. It's plain and simple. Springsteen has been commercially successful and mainstream since 1975. "Born To Run", from that year, was a massive selling album.

Now, the fact you're saying that it wasn't until 1985 means one of two things. Either, a) you're a Springsteen fan who's trying to be 'precious' about his earlier career, or you're ignorant on the subject. Which is fair enough, given your age.

I don't personally like Springsteen, but I can't deny his success or popularity.

In 1985, Springsteen was the biggest-selling artist in the world. "Born In The USA" became his biggest-selling album. But to suggest he was not mainstream, or commercially successful prior to that is just ludicrous. And wrong.

[GHA EFM]

Born In The U.S.A. is the album where Bruce Springsteen made the leap from a popular rock 'n' roller to megastar and cultural icon. The songs were all over the radio in '84 & '85 and his concerts were four hour marathons. It produced 7 top ten singles (tied for the most in history with Michael Jackson's Thriller & Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation) and was in Billboard's top ten for 84 straight weeks.

 

Hmmm...

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Yep. All very true. Precisely what I've been saying.

 

But to suggest he was not mainstream, or commercially successful prior to that is just ludicrous. And wrong.

 

Yawn....

 

 

[Chubbhead EFM]

Just let it go...

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

Here's my contrubution

 

David Gray - [****!!****] and always has been

Coldplay -Plesent enough, but hardly groundbreaking, ten years ago they would of been Bryan Adams

Sterophonics - Agree with Chubb, first album great but have been lame ever since, put them in the 'we don't need to try too hard anymore as our records will sell anyway' category along with Travis and the Manics, far too many producers involved in the records.

Good pop music is still great to listen to and is as important as any great rock band

Inspiral Carpets are ace live, you'll change your mind about blandness

Bruce Spingsteen - Boss, my [****!!****]!

Debates about mainstream and stuff are all a bit pointless as plenty of cheesy/crap pop with bad promotion is hanging about at number 167 in the charts, while plenty of original guitar bands hit the top 10.

[Colin Zeal EFM]

My word, Thornsy. Every word you've just written is an absolute gem. Spot on, sir!!

 

 

[AFF]

What are you lot on about?

 

You make it sound as though "mainstream" infers some kind of sell-out. Do you think that Springsteen sat down and said "Enough of this rock stuff, I'm going to write some 'mainstream' To hell with the grass roots and the existing fanbase. It's mainstream from now on." And Born To Run followed?

 

Oh by the way. Zealster. What genre is 'Idlewild'?

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Idlewild? You'll find it in the Rock/Pop section in HMV.