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[Urchino]

A) They will lose there council seats next year!

 

Hitler gave people a scapegoat "don't blame our econmomy on us, blame the Jews" No one likes to be told it's there fought!

 

Enoch Powell had everything that was different some people say he had a fear of Refugees.

 

If you were with a child and saw somebody who had a physical defect you wouldn't tell your children to fear them. you would tell them that they're no different!

 

C) Moving to the right is not the way to go you need to educate people!

[Big J R]

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A) They will lose there council seats next year!

I see you've studied your history well.

With regard to your quote (A), we will wait and see.

The problem is this. The general resident of this country, be him/her black/white jew/gentile, is sick and tired of three political parties.

1. In power (?) arguing amongst themselves.

2. Not in power, and critiscising 1.

3. Having a general pop at 1. and 2., and spending the rest of the time in the Commons Bar !

You can fool some of the people some of the time........

HOWEVER: If another option comes along, a la Munich 1930's ........................................

I'm afraid that's the way it's going, mate !

[Urchino]

What so your saying Britain would except Nazism no way we fort it we will never except it!

 

Nick Griffen leader of the BNP lost his seat this year if the leader can't keep his seat the rest of the political "convicted thugs" wont.

 

Never will Britain except Racism !

[Big J R]

I know exactly what you are saying. I live on a modern council estate, in one of the most prosperous and right wing tory constituency's in England. (Look at my location. I don't hide)

 

At the last local election, our ward returned the lowest poll it ever has. Lib Dems got in, as usual.

 

I know the councillor in question very well. He is probably more right wing than most tories on the subject of Britain. As a councillor, they are TOLD what there political position is by their party.

 

Our local council has been told by central government to hold a percentage of vacated council properties for 'Emergency Asylum Seekers', (their words). I talk to many people of varying political persuasions, and at the end of the day, they will all 'Gel' from the 'left' the 'centre' and the 'right' and say, "Why should British people come second ?"

 

That is why i see a growth in parties like the BNP which will draw people from all other parties !

[Urchino]

I agree they will grow you are i beleive 100% right i just feel that they will not have much consitency!

[Uncle Urchin]

well.....hhhmmmm...

 

never thought I'd say this but I agree with Urchino here...... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

 

there will never be a quote...

 

'Munich al la 30's' ....in this country... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

 

we are a nation of self integrated island people...there is a difference..... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

 

look back at the history of migration of peoples in europe over the past 1000 years....... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

 

we may be racist by thoughtlessness and by degree and by a lack of education......even by humour....... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

 

but we will always ...as a Nation .......defend the right to democracy.......for all ....... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

 

its genetical duntyaknow.......... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

 

we are a Nation of the underdog... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

 

thats why everone loves the Urchins.... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[Big J R]

Hi UU ! Glad you got involved.

 

Problem is, Nationalism transcends ALL party feelings. I am NOT talking about racism, which I ABHOR ! I am talking about Love of Country.

 

I know people of ethnic bacgrounds from the Sussex area who are of the same mind as many people. Born and raised here, and sick and tired of seeing all their hard work being wasted on people who

 

1. Don't want to work.

2. Have just arrived in this country and are jumping the NHS and Housing queues.

3. Arriving here and causing mayhem on large housing estates by forming into 'gangs' that plod either does not want to, or can't be bothered to control.

 

I could go on and on, but....................

[Urchino]

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Hi UU ! Glad you got involved.

Problem is, Nationalism transcends All party feelings. I am NOT talking about racism, which I ABHOR ! I am talking about Love of Country.
[color:"blue"] Love of a country is in everyone i love two countries this one and one i have an emotional tie with. I how ever much complain about it i love the fact were a democratic country i love the fact we embrace different couture.[/color]

I know people of ethnic backgrounds from the Sussex area who are of the same mind as many people. Born and raised here, and sick and tired of seeing all their hard work being wasted on people who
[color:"blue"]I don't doubt this for a minute as a Jew i get angry when my Nan complains about people coming to this country as her ancestors did the same.[/color]
1. Don't want to work.
[color:"blue"] Don't wan to work or perceived as not wanting to![/color]
2. Have just arrived in this country and are jumping the NHS and Housing queues.
[color:"blue"] Maybe it happens but far exaggerated [/color]
3. Arriving here and causing mayhem on large housing estates by forming into 'gangs' that plod either does not want to, or can't be bothered to control.
[color:"blue"]White Gangs are rife in this country what the difference what are we going to with them send them to a war zone as well. [/color]

[Big J R]

Great debate ! Well, it is my birthday, so I'm off for a few glasses of amber nectar !

 

Should I come on here again this evening, I probably won't make much sense !

[Urchino]

hahaha

Have a Good one and you have permission to have one for me <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[SteveP]

Hang on, feel I'm getting involved again here, you're going off course here, the nationalist and euro issues are totally seperate.

 

U619 & Big JR a plague on both your houses!!

 

The growth of the BNP derives primarily through poverty. The Asylum Seeker problem did not cause the riots in the mill towns of Burnley and Bradford, it was the lack of resource and employment, which created an environment where people felt marginalized and things came to a head. The BNP used the opportunity as they do with Asylum Seekers to magnify the differences.

 

The growth of the BNP is down to poverty and mistrust of the government. Who have made a mess of asylum and could probably do well to re-assess the mess they've created and sort it out.

 

U619 I don't think white gangs are rife in the country, I think this only occurs when set of people feel marginalised, like the minority group. I think white gangs tend to be reactive, usually to events or a form of perceived injustice. Whereas ethnic groups tend to stick together.

 

I could write more, but I've got a job to do!!

[Urchino]

I agrre with all of that!

[pabird]

That is the college answer but in reality its the planners to blame

 

IE Never a race riot in Cockfosters or Esher or Westminster in fact large parts of Surrey cannot understand the question

 

When you allow entire communities to be wiped out by an innocent but 100% foreign culture why is it you believe there is some sort of technical social answer

 

Poverty is at its most extreme where all the negative issues are allowed to cluster in one location

 

Simple? do not allow all those negative factors to land in one off locations

Lets have the next batch of asylum seekers housed in the wealthiest part of Surrey and lets see if those bleeding heart liberals can calm down the good folks there

[Urchino]

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IE Never a race riot in Cockfosters or Esher or Westminster

And as Steve said that could all be to do with poverty. These areas are not poverty striken , which hit out for somebody to blame for their problems.

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When you allow entire communities to be wiped out by an innocent but 100% foreign culture why is it you believe there is some sort of technical social answer

Hardly entire communities talk about an exageration.I beleive this because often the reason is to do with social reactions, sometimes fear sometimes hate.

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do not allow all those negative factors to land in one off locations

It is better to place asylum seekers in city and large town locations it is easy for them to intigrate and atempt to get work (which myself i beleive they want to get).

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Lets have the next batch of asylum seekers housed in the wealthiest part of Surrey and lets see if those bleeding heart liberals can calm down the good folks there

If there is a system able to deal with Asylum seekers and work, then i agree place them there.

As for bleeding heart liberals maybe it's more like got a heart liberals

[pabird]

U69 How can you state "not whole communities" have you ever worked in Brick Lane, I was born into and enjoyed my home community of Wood Green/Haringay,Manor House etc

That community is now 90% plus foreign to me

Vast areas of the midlands has undergone major culture change, fine I hear you say how lovely for the (innocent) newcomers to be able to bring their entire birthright culture with them! and the outgoing community! are they wrong to protest and if they do are they racist

 

The most stupid statement by the replaced culture when protesting and in doing so are called racist is "but I have many friends among the newcomers"

So let me say it another way "I have many friends in the pushed out culture" and do not for 1% blame the new culture

 

The planners who live in Cockfosters,Esher etc etc are the cynical cause of most problems (And both labour and conservative)

[Colin, Germany]

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The general resident of this country, be him/her black/white jew/gentile, is sick and tired of three political parties.
1. In power (?) arguing amongst themselves.
2. Not in power, and critiscising 1.
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That is debate and discussion, and is part of the democratic process. I would be more worried if everyone in the government held the same opinion, and if the opposition parties did not seek out the weak parts of government policy to criticise.

[Urchino]

Foreign in Brick lane i used to go up their every weekend it's fantastic diffrent cultures thats what makes it great

[pabird]

I agree with you U69,For day trippers

[Halifax Lass]

 

Hi pabird, thought you weren't talking to me!?

 

Off to Bradford now I shall have more to say on this particular thread later!!

[pabird]

Any time any where Lass