Hawkeye Pierce Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Originally Posted By: Abu Dhabi ......This afternoon I then asked the Chairman to come with me to talk to the signature gatherer to see who was right and who was wrong but he declined. Abu I was not at the game today, so what was it you wanted to ask the signature gatherer with the chairman that was right or wrong? I too was at the Brentwood game & was also asked by the signature gatherer (who was not yourself) to sign a petition requesting an EGM, but due to not being a society member I was unable to do so. Originally Posted By: Abu Dhabi My reply to Mark Emblem is ...it is my opinion you need help why not try http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk/ Oh how surprising that this odious character ended up being involved, what did he do today? Become confrontational? AGAIN! Accuse someone of doing something they hadnt? AGAIN! Rant & abuse some opposition players? AGAIN! How come this character gets away with so much appaling behaviour without any warnings?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enfield United Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Thats not fair Gazza, all my dealings with ME have been very amicable and constructive. I can only comment on what obsevations I have. Making public that signatures are required for an EGM in a newspaper is not in my opinion a way to go about business, lacks class and dignity, again, its only my view. I think you'll find that style also undermines authority too, which is probably why PM was caught up in an arguement, put me right please if I'm grabbing the wrong end of the stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Just read the Gazette editorial which is really helpful and reads really well a great piece of journalism particularly if like a lot of supporters who live in Enfield who are trying to get people along to games, trying to get what little sponsorship there is into the club, run the club shop, do all the boardroom stuff which I know is a difficult situation at the moment, those that run reserve and our excellent youth set up and your ill informed diatribe really helps well done...... excellent corporate PR The people who signed the petition at the Brentwood game were not rebels but a desire for a response for those of us who wanted an open debate with other supports and board members about the future direction of the club and an open and honest discussion which I think guys like Enfield United tried to do and will always approach directors and supporters for their views. Incidentally naming people by name while hiding behind lock on names on the forum by name is bang out of order if this persons as you say needs alcoholic anonymous then from your escapades today I would suggest as you are clearly under some sort of medication then narcotics anonymous may be of help they can be reached at http://www.ukna.org/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Originally Posted By: Enfield United Thats not fair Gazza, all my dealings with ME have been very amicable and constructive. I can only comment on what obsevations I have. Yes EU & I can only comment on what Ive seen too, all of which I stated in my last post, they are facts nothing more nothing less, none of which were constructive only very very embarrasing. Originally Posted By: Enfield United Making public that signatures are required for an EGM in a newspaper is not in my opinion a way to go about business..... I would of thought that it was common sense to know that signatures would be required for an EGM or any other member group society, be it right or wrong to print in a local paper, is the terracing behind the goal with an audience the place to have a heated discussion? Not very appropriate behaviour by either in my view, especially a chairman, but I wasnt there so only have the info given on here to judge by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclops Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 I know I don't normally follow the forum (I don't even bother to read it most of the time) but I was pointed towards Keith Smith's (Abu Dhabi's at the moment) comments above. Keith, I don't really think you really care too much about our club. I don't think you have done for quite a while now. This has nothing to do with your split from the Board since you left it but I really think it has to do with, as I see it, your need to have some sort of salve for your ego. If you aren't in a position of "importance" you seem to feel a bit let down. Even when you were on the Board of our club, you used to verbally abuse our players during games, and I told you off for doing so on more than one occasion. Your attitude was/is unacceptable. We support our club and that should include accepting decisions by the management that a particular player will represent us. If you have a problem with players, or you think particular players haven't done very well, you should pass on those comments at some time other than during a match. But no. Mr Keith "I support Enfield Town" Smith was quite prepared to slag off our players during matches -- don't forget I told you to "[****!!****] off and leave us alone" earlier this season when you were doing just that! So let's get onto the meeting. Were you there? No. Are you fully aware of what was said there? No. Is the stuff you spouted in the Enfield Gazette "hearsay"? Yes. As a magistrate (which, despite my incredulity, I understand you are) would YOU accept "hearsay" as evidence? Well, I would hope not. However if you are prepared to accept "hearsay" if it backs up your arguments, perhaps now I am not so sure. Do I trust you? No. Do I think what you wrote in the Gazette should have been printed? No. That column is supposed to be for supporters' views (or a supporter's view) on the way the club is performing on the pitch. I didn't always agree with Steve Anderson (actually I didn't agree with him most of the time) when he started it, but at least he always stuck to on-the-pitch issues and seemed to have to have both feet planted firmly on Planet Earth. While I understand that some people are just going to think I am some lackey of the Board, that is crap. I am not on the Board and cannot see any time when I will want to try to join, or at least not in the next five years or so. I though we needed a meeting, whether an EGM (which you, Keith Smith, would not have been able to attend in any case, as a non-member!) or as the supporters' meeting, which went ahead. I put my name on a list of people asking for it, although I understand some questions may have been attached to list to which I never signed up. I don't always agree with some of the others who expressed opinions at the meeting, and didn't do so then but AT LEAST THEY COULD BE BOTHERED TO TURN UP! So, where were you Keith Smith? I understand you will now be looking for a new club to follow. I hope you find a club where you feel happy -- I really do. I just don't think it will be Enfield Town or a club like ours. You can't really be a Mr Big in a mutual society unless most of the members are prepared to back you up and, quite frankly, you couldn't really cut it in a club like ours. -- Phil Davison Webmaster, Enfield Town FC http://www.etfc.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyetfc Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Does anyone know what's happening at 'our' club and where it's going? I think I am going to enjoy the summer break away from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Originally Posted By: vor .....Incidentally naming people by name while hiding behind lock on names on the forum by name is bang out of order Taken from Abu Dhabi's post: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyetfc Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 So KS has been hung, drawn and quartered for giving his opinions. They may not be to everyones liking, but it appears the jury is already out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Originally Posted By: Cyclops .... you used to verbally abuse our players during games, and I told you off for doing so on more than one occasion. Your attitude was/is unacceptable. Should that not extend to the abuse of officials too? People in glass houses Cyclops, People in glass houses huh! Originally Posted By: Cyclops .... Do I think what you wrote in the Gazette should have been printed? No. That column is supposed to be for supporters' views (or a supporter's view) on the way the club is performing on the pitch. Very very good point & overall a very good personal view post, I may not agree with all your views but its a shame you dont post more often, differing views & discussions are what this forum is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 bit extreme that I was just planning to not to talk to him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Ive tried that for eight years but he always tracks me down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MbrunoB Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Is it really right that the only view anyone is allowed to have is the party line or should we be allowed free speech and thought? I might or might not agree with what's said but I do defend everyone's right to have and express their own view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Pierce Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 "If you aren't in a position of "importance" you seem to feel a bit let down." Could not be more wrong, I dont need it. It is just I have opinions which aren't the same as yours. "Your attitude was/is unacceptable." Week in week out I do not lose us points / matches by being rude to referees and linesmen in stereo from either side of the pitch. Would we have been in the playoffs this and previous years if the board had found some gaffer tape for two brothers? Can we invite children when the language from some fans is so choice? "don't forget I told you to "[****!!****] off and leave us alone." So you did! Why dont you put your money where your mouth is and then you might start to think of town as a business! I really have no desire to be Mr Big anywhere, I dont need to but I will encourage and support others that I believe are business competent. I really wanted to see town flourish but I do not believe we have the right board skill mix for a successful club. This club started as a broad church of opinion and approach but now I believe it has polarised. You enjoy it. I dont think QE2 will be a great stadium despite all the opinion to the contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Cunneen Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I just think this is all really sad. I speak as someone who only views things from a distance these days but still has a great love for the club. To be honest I'm glad I'm out of this frankly. Idiots like albury Walker and the dick head from Wabbey must be loving this. Supporters have al;ways had a right to ask questions and in our club it is even easier. Pay a tenner a year and be an owner. I have never understood peoples reluctance to join and have a vote - but I respect their decisions to do so. I do agree that the Gazette is not the forum for these discussions. Even I can ask questions, and get answers, by talking to people. To come on here and personally attack directors, who work voluntarily, and are in the process of achieving our own ground, at last, is offencive and pointless. Yes you can disagree with them - it is your right, but you can also vote them off if you don't like them - if you are prepared to put the work in they do! What does negative publicity about off field problems achieve. It only gives ammunition to people who are anti ETFC and send out the completely wrong message to sponsors and prospective supporters. I have served at all levels of the old EFC and and am a committee man at Shortwood and know how hard it is. They may not get it right but al least they are trying - what are you doing? Finally the QE stadium may not be 'great' but at least it will be ours and provide its own income streams. Those responsible are to be commended. It needs a lot of work to get it done. Stop being so bloody petty and join in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enfield United Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Abu-I think your last post is very unfortunate and I hope you retreat in your views and stay amongst us. I've got nothing to gain from appealing to you but I do feel that no one person can change the team they support or have an affinity too. If I was p1ssed off with the club I would stay away but observe from afar, read the paper articles and chat with folks who are generally involved with supporting the club but could I go and give my soul to another club, I'd find that strange and very very difficult. Again just a personal opinion. QE Stadium-Will be ours to run and use as we wish, we wont be moved from our board room and can have our teams using it for all ages that need it. For me that will be brilliant/fantastic/wonderful and as well as great. Like Andy said, it'll be a relief when this season comes to an end. However, looking ahead, we have a new stadium to work towards, we have a management team which includes SB who has (in my opinion) the pedigree and contacts to form a title challenging team/squad, with the support of a fine coach in Mickey Leslie. What our club needs is people to come forward and say 'what can I do for my club?' not what my club can do for me. The fact that we have supporters who dont feel it neccessary to be members and express an effective opinion with votes that will help run the club as their opinions wish, then we will have this continuos ineffective fault finding negativity that exists on this forum and brings out the 'frank' side of me. I believe we now have to back the team managers 100% in setting up a squad for next season in the constructive way that they seek. We need supporters to be positive with many things to look forward too. Things are'nt as bad as some comments on here are suggesting. But above all, the board need to be United and working together positively and successfully in creating a football set up from top to bottom and actively involving the community too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTowner Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I think it would be better for all concerned if this thread ended NOW. Don't need comments in the local paper. Don't need "altercations" like that at the game. Don't need more slagging off on here. Support the Club. Have your views and opinion. Move on. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enfield United Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 JC-I was writing my post whilst watching Match of The Day so did'nt read your post til afterwards. I could'nt agree more to a very well put post on the subject, just wish you'd move back to Enfield, as constructive views such as yours are very welcome, however, other than one main issue in my view concerning the board, things are not as bad as some comments are suggesting on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 EU I agree, I too dont see anything much wrong off the park, apart from the something that is actually nothing nonsense going on, I think the board do a herculian job, one that I reckon over 75% of supporters couldnt do & wouldnt want to do, but that is our views others may have very valid reasons to differ, personally I turn up each week to watch the football & this season it has been well below par & on that I can comment & make my thoughts heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Jack Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Originally Posted By: OldTowner I think it would be better for all concerned if this thread ended NOW. Don't need comments in the local paper. Don't need "altercations" like that at the game. Don't need more slagging off on here. Support the Club. Have your views and opinion. Move on. End of. Agreed OT. I have locked the thread as a pre-emptive strike. Everyone's had their say, and to leave this open runs the risk of it turning into a slanging match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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