Leyton v's Town

[Enfield United]

Originally Posted By: Gazza

Hey trust me, I would if I was fit enough, it beats watching Mrs Gazza take the bloody xmas tree down!

C'mon OT keep us poorly one's updated.

I'll keep u updated sicknote. Smashing day with glorious sunshine, the North Circ drove like a breeze and Blackstock Road was a dream too. The day ended with us keeping another clean sheet and unbeaten run on track. With this result today SM can look forward to another MOTM award.

[Steph]

I think he has to play at least one game.

[Gazza]

Originally Posted By: Enfield United

......the North Circ drove like a breeze and Blackstock Road was a dream too.....

Just the mention of those two roads gives me the shivers, so I know your lieing!

[Sponsor of Beer]

Originally Posted By: Squadron Leader

Sorry to dissappoint you, but game has been called off, someone at Leyton was telling you prokies

Out of the window of the Hare & Hounds you could see the pitch being watered as the game was called off. Seemed a strange thing to do.

[OldTowner]

Originally Posted By: Sponsor of Beer

Originally Posted By: Squadron Leader

Sorry to dissappoint you, but game has been called off, someone at Leyton was telling you prokies

Out of the window of the Hare & Hounds you could see the pitch being watered as the game was called off. Seemed a strange thing to do.

Perhaps it was hot water

[Man From Mars]

Originally Posted By: Sponsor of Beer

MfM-Happy New year to you, too.

What's this about you spending time outside the Israeli embassy demonstrating against Gazza?

you should have come over to the embankment to join yesterdays march mate . A great turnout with several celebs being there . couldn't see annie Lennox though but I did see Tony Benn and peter Tatchell and Chris Smith . Ken Livingstone was there somewhere too we went back to the israeli embassy to hurl some more expletives . Saw some old mates of mine from years back too from the grunwick days.

On a sad note the bloke in the camouflage jacket and mouthful of rotten teeth is still begging , I saw him near Liverpool street yesterday morning . he's got a beard and long hair now.

[Gazza]

Originally Posted By: Man From Mars

....A great turnout with several celebs being there, Tony Benn, peter Tatchell, Chris Smith, Ken Livingstone....

Celebs? Where? Cant believe Tony Benn still makes a nuiesnece of himself, did he actually know where he was?

Peter Tatchell Oh please dont get me started!

As for the other two they probaly spent their time trying to find the cameras!

[Steph]

MFM

 

What would you expect the British Government to do if France decreed that Britain should not exist and fire rockets into Dover every few days.

 

Before the Iraq war I was on the march in Hyde Park and heard the chants.

 

"Palestine will be free

From the river to the sea"

 

It made my blood run cold then and the current situation is, in my view, a direct result of the mentality behind that chant.

 

Regards

 

Steph

[Man From Mars]

The british government would do as they always do old chum hide behind American Imperialism just like the Israeli government do today old chum . Israel is only there because its part of the great satan itself just like we brits are and you know that steph . Do you really think Israel would be there if it wasn't for them yanks shoving their weight behind them ?. Israel is stolen land ..even you know that .

[Bald Fella]

Its all " bunkers " warzones and golf should stay clear of footie forums!

[Gazza]

Its actually called "not the etfc" so any subject is therefore up for discussion!!

[Steph]

MFM

 

So how would you deal with the 7.28 million people currently living between the "river and the sea"?

 

Perhaps the "final solution" would be acceptable to you.

 

Be careful about who you are marching with.

 

The current war in Palestine can be laid solely on the hands of Hamas and the solution is in their hands. What makes the situation more problematical is that the Gazans voted for Hamas.

 

Before you talk crap about the "Great Satan" consider the history of the place.

 

In 1517 Gaza fell to the Ottomans and was part of the Ottoman Empire until the First World War.

 

Starting in the early 19th century, Gaza was culturally dominated by neighboring Egypt. Though it was part of the Ottoman Empire, a large number of its residents were Egyptians (and their descendants) who had fled political turmoil.

 

The region served as a battlefield during the First World War (1914-18), with the British and Ottomans fighting in the Sinai and Palestine. Gaza, which controlled the coastal route, was taken by the British in the Third Battle of Gaza on 7 November, 1917. The British government has financially supported the maintenance of a cemetery for fallen British soldiers from WWI.

 

Following World War I, Gaza became part of the British Mandate of Palestine under the authority of the League of Nations.

 

Jews were present in Gaza until the 1929 Palestine riots, when Jews were forced to leave Gaza. After that the British prohibited Jews from living in the area, though some Jews returned and, in 1946, established kibbutz Kfar Darom near the Egyptian border.

 

British rule of Palestine ended with the 1948 Arab

[Duke of York]

Kettering Town FC have shown which side of the fence they

[Enfield United]

Steph-Despite the Gaza tragedy having nothing to do with this thread or football or ETFC, its interesting to get some info on the subject of a situation thats present, real and of humanitarian consequence. Damn site more relevant and appropriate than reading a clique group of guys about their disastrous round of golf etc.

 

Good on Kettering Town, it maybe they will benefit on selling lots of these shirts and the gain rewards for it as well, however, that does'nt matter as the awareness is important too.

 

However, my ill-educated view (and please correct me if i'm wrong) is that Hamas are a democratically elected organisation who from its first day was subjected to not being recognised as a ruling government by Israel. I know theres boneheadedness on both sides but how is the 'western' dream gonna be considered serious when both dictators (Saddam) and Democratically elected rulers (Hamas) are treated as enemies instead of trying for negotiations?

 

Lets face it, Hamas's weaponary is as effective as the Northern Ireland stone throwers against the might of a super power who could blitz and destry your existance with a press of a button.

 

If anybody has lost friends and loved ones in terrorist attacks around the world can point to the double standards of foreign policies of the USA, GB and the outrageous disregard of a life other than the Jewish one by Israel.

 

I'm one that prays for any conflict to end Now

[Steph]

I am not supporting Israel or denying that what they are doing is pretty horrific. As for Hamas it is the fact that they were democractically elected which, in my opinion, justifies Israel's response. Hamas has the support of Gazans.

 

Hamas was elected in Gaza it is not the government of the occupied territories which are puportedly governed by the Palaestine Authority under President Abbas. President Abbas' writ however does not run in Gaza as he has repeatedly requested that the rockets stop.

 

The problem is that Hamas broke the cease fire - for what it was worth.

 

I have no doubt that the rockets that Hamas sends into Israel are meant to kill civilians - would the war be justified if the rockets were better?

 

Hamas' policy is to remove Isreal. It is that policy which prevents any negotiation. If you cannot negotiate then the only response is to retaliate and that is what Israel has done.

 

Israel is somehow not seen as a victim in this but the poor Gazans. The rockets that the Gazans has fired for the last few years have come through Egypt and have been supplied by Pan Arabia. There has been a surrogate Isreal-Arab war for years. You could say for centuries.

 

MFM joins a protest in London which is his right though its effectiveness is open to considerable doubt. Most of the marchers have honourable ideals - of that I have no doubt. However some chant "Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea".

 

Those chanters are seeking the removal of some 7.25 million people and those people to go - where? It is also possible that they are not far removed from people who will drive a burning vehicle into a Glasgow airport in order to kill innocent men, women and children. They are not beyond putting bombs in underground trains or buses to kill innocent men, women and children.

 

They terrorise innocent men women and children in Golders Green on a Saturday afternoon.

 

In the above paragraphs I am not saying that terrorism justifies Israel's response but I am thinking that their labelling of Hamas as a terrorist organisation is justified.

 

 

[Enfield United]

Originally Posted By: Steph

I am not supporting Israel or denying that what they are doing is pretty horrific. As for Hamas it is the fact that they were democractically elected which, in my opinion, justifies Israel's response. Hamas has the support of Gazans.

Hamas was elected in Gaza it is not the government of the occupied territories which are puportedly governed by the Palaestine Authority under President Abbas. President Abbas' writ however does not run in Gaza as he has repeatedly requested that the rockets stop.

The problem is that Hamas broke the cease fire - for what it was worth.

I have no doubt that the rockets that Hamas sends into Israel are meant to kill civilians - would the war be justified if the rockets were better?

Hamas' policy is to remove Isreal. It is that policy which prevents any negotiation. If you cannot negotiate then the only response is to retaliate and that is what Israel has done.

Israel is somehow not seen as a victim in this but the poor Gazans. The rockets that the Gazans has fired for the last few years have come through Egypt and have been supplied by Pan Arabia. There has been a surrogate Isreal-Arab war for years. You could say for centuries.

MFM joins a protest in London which is his right though its effectiveness is open to considerable doubt. Most of the marchers have honourable ideals - of that I have no doubt. However some chant "Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea".

Those chanters are seeking the removal of some 7.25 million people and those people to go - where? It is also possible that they are not far removed from people who will drive a burning vehicle into a Glasgow airport in order to kill innocent men, women and children. They are not beyond putting bombs in underground trains or buses to kill innocent men, women and children.

They terrorise innocent men women and children in Golders Green on a Saturday afternoon.

In the above paragraphs I am not saying that terrorism justifies Israel's response but I am thinking that their labelling of Hamas as a terrorist organisation is justified.

I'm not as clued up as you Steph in regards to the politics or history (thats Thatchers education policy for u, sorry Gazza, I know she still does it for u), but my view is the scale of the bombing by Israel alienates them from negotiating with even the moderate Arabs therefore escalating the problems in the region and prolonging the pain for the innocent people.

If Israel want to be respected and well regarded in the world then they need to have superior restraints or like Hamas are they just responding to their own peoples wishes and kill as many innocent men, women and children in the Gaza strip as possible?

I dont disagree with anything you have written, but expressing one normal British voters view who sees and hear things on the radio and TV.

However I think the world is a poorer place with the American foreign policies and Israels form of retaliation.

[Gazza]

Originally Posted By: Enfield United

...... Damn site more relevant and appropriate than reading a clique group of guys about their disastrous round of golf etc....

Not sure how the goings on in the bowels of the world is relevent or more appropriate than the Jolly Boys Golfing, clearly to anyone sane The Hats handicap is far more exciting than some squabling across the water!

I bet Brunob is pulling his hair out reading this thread!

[Gazza]

Originally Posted By: Enfield United

......(thats Thatchers education policy for u, sorry Gazza, I know she still does it for u)...

Who you kidding? You had well left school by the time our Maggie took control & starting sorting out & putting the country back on its feet!

[Jim Cunneen]

Originally Posted By: Gazza

Originally Posted By: Enfield United

......(thats Thatchers education policy for u, sorry Gazza, I know she still does it for u)...

Who you kidding? You had well left school by the time our Maggie took control & starting sorting out & putting the country back on its feet!

[****!!****]

[Gazza]

Woah easy JC, you seem fairly comfortable down there in the West country, mainly thanks to Our Maggie I imagine as she was looking after you when it mattered!

 

Deny it all you like but facts are facts.