Cheshunt away!

[Gazza]

Originally Posted By: Stone Cold

Originally Posted By: Mr Happy

I don't think there has been enough motivation from the bench since we formed!!! Jim and Pete used to moan and groan (and more). SM is quiet. We need a motivational manager with a good track record and tactical awareness.

Totally agree Mr H, Jim was never one to be up off the bench shouting orders & or encouraging, and Pete, well every other word was feck and most of his shouting was aimed at officials.

We need to see someone on the bench with some passion who can shout instructions, encourage & motivate from the side, rather than just sit back & hope things go well.
George Borg for me is the best i've seen, and how we could use someone like him now.

Totally agree too,
IMHO George Borg would double the gate at home games, George is a bit of a pipedream I think (unless someone knows better)

My only sensible suggestion would be Stuart Nethercott, use to shut our forwards out by marshaling the defence & being in the right place without breaking sweat and was always encouraging the team for 90 mins, must still have useful contacts too.

[Arkwright]

Originally Posted By: andyetfc

Originally Posted By: Duke of York

Originally Posted By: Steph

Well now fans are calling for SM's head but he has a 3 year plan.

Does Stewart Margolis three year plan start now or did it start when he released Steve Velandia in favour of players who would be "more likely to roll their sleeves up and grind out results for the Town?!"

There are four games to go to the half way point of the season! Mid-table by mid-season seems like a fair and reasonable target for SM.

Does SM's 3 year plan dovetail with the board's expectations and their plan?

Mid table at the mid point of the season is not a reasonable target IMHO.

Ilford is a 6 pointer and we must get them all.

3 Years of this & the players will out number the support.

[townerboy]

dave anderson has just joined northwood as manager....

[Duke of York]

Originally Posted By: enfield_paul

dave anderson has just joined northwood as manager....

I wish Dave all the best at Northwood but I'm not convinced that former keepers make good managers. Hopefully his stay at Northwood will be longer than his brief spell at Clarence Park.

[OldTowner]

Originally Posted By: Arkwright

Originally Posted By: andyetfc

Originally Posted By: Duke of York

Originally Posted By: Steph

Well now fans are calling for SM's head but he has a 3 year plan.

Does Stewart Margolis three year plan start now or did it start when he released Steve Velandia in favour of players who would be "more likely to roll their sleeves up and grind out results for the Town?!"

There are four games to go to the half way point of the season! Mid-table by mid-season seems like a fair and reasonable target for SM.

Does SM's 3 year plan dovetail with the board's expectations and their plan?

Mid table at the mid point of the season is not a reasonable target IMHO.

Ilford is a 6 pointer and we must get them all.

3 Years of this & the players will out number the support.

Ha, Arky you've got it.

SM's 3 year plan has begun with the signing on of every and any available player ( already over 50 - 60 ish ) and the crowd numbers are dropping game by game.

At this rate he may achieve his plan well inside the 3 year target

Shame a lot of US wont be there to see it !!!!

[Enfield United]

Originally Posted By: Steph

I dont think that anything can be taken for granted with the current management team.

There is no doubt that the players are capable of beating Ilford however I have seen nothing yet from SM that fills me with confidence.

I can only compare and hope that the current situation at the Town is similar, though to a lesser scale, to the situation at Man U when Ferguson came. If people will recall Man U were struggling for the first year or so and fans were calling for the wily scots head. Well now fans are calling for SM's head but he has a 3 year plan.

I agree with you Arky that if we dont beat Ilford then things are desperate but even if we do I still believe that things are desperate. SM has had only 4 months of this season and it is my view we dont have to do anything hasty now. I think I would have sacked him after Chatham but the purple patch that followed saved his bacon.

There are 6 games left this year including Wabbey at Christmas. It seems to me that 10 points could put us mid table. If SM achieves that and we beat WABBEY I will have had a good end of year. If he doesn't then the board should make the decision that he leaves.

Clearly 10 points is eminently achievable. It is only just over half the number that are available.

I agree Steph, sacking somebody after 4 months of his first competitive season is hasty. And ofcourse I still demand the 3 pts v's Ilford and I 'hope' we get them. I think confidence is low all round at the mo, I'm hoping that results will improve when SM has a full strngth XI to choose from, we must at least give him that opportunity. And Steph, I also agree that reviewing SM's position upto the new year is fair, but thay does not mean to get shot of him.

Reviewing= if theres a risk of relegation (i.e too close for comfort)then immediate dismissal if survival is more evident then nothing will be achieved by a change as play offs are a long shot, if however he manages to turn things round then everyones a winner.

I think that a new fella (if we get one) should always be appointed after close of season (except for the reasons stated above) so he can get in the players he wants, works with the players he wants and gets practice matches to prepare rather than be be scrutinised and chastised in competitive games.

As for the motivation from the touchline, my view is that all the shouting, rollicking and managerial input should be done in training, pre match preparations and half time. I'm afraid if you have a manager that rants for 90mins then whats he be doing the week leading upto the game and again in my view, if players need a manager on there backs to perform then i'm afraid you don't have a player.

Players need responsibility as well, the manager needs to organise, observe and assess. I accept fully that we are falling short in all of these departments.

Andy Jones may well have been booked, but was his attitude positive, enthusistic and did he want to win? Why are'nt you criticising Reid for his booking? and Hall for his suspension?

I feel some of you have it in for Jones when in this day andage bookings are given out for heavy breathing.

By attending games we are backing our club and those who are selected to perform for our club. But lets be fair too. We know the season has been disappointing to date but a lot of you have been on the players and managers back(me too with regards to Rio and Tickner) from the kick off. I also recall the excitement of many critics with the signings of Hahn, Hammond, Rio just to mention 3, but they have not delivered but just taken the clubs and their apearance money.

No doubt the microscopes of each of my sentences will be inspected to find contradictions, however, if you did not already know, football is contradictive cos every game is a different game therefore situations change with regards to personnel, performances and results, however what must not change is constructive control of the club and it's future, by getting in another manager could make us worse, have we thought of that? So going back to Steph's comments, yes, New Year is and WaBBBey is half year assessment day.

[townerboy]

so who was M in Enfield that emailed the Non League show thsi week about the ETFC job? Duke, Brunob?

[Mr Happy]

Whoever said ranting from the touchline was needed EU? Shouting and motivating and leading from the bench are what required. Not ranting but not just sitting there quietly. If we leave it to the end of the season to change the manager there will not be time for him to hit the deck running with the new season. Get someone in now who can steady the ship, cull the squad and get the team playing well for the second half of the season and then challenge in 2009/10.

[OldTowner]

Mr H.

AGREE 100% with every word.

[Duke of York]

Originally Posted By: enfield_paul

so who was M in Enfield that emailed the Non League show thsi week about the ETFC job? Duke, Brunob?

I heard the show but I thought Caroline said the email came from 'N in Enfield'.

[townerboy]

he protests too much..........

[Enfield United]

Originally Posted By: OldTowner

Mr H.
AGREE 100% with every word.

Mr H, I dont agree with every word although Mr H has a stable valid arguement, it just differs from mine. Thats why we have a board who make the decisions, replacing a gaffer half way through a season has more complexities than at close season.

A good manager can get us running from pre season as well as half way through a season.

Shouting in my view from the line is a sign of bad management. A manager should have his players blood bursting its veins in desire at 3pm. Then its all down to the players. The department we lack in is a true leader on the field of play, someone to look upto listen too and to do the managers job on the pitch i.e Tony Adams, Steve Bruce (in their days) John Terry, Rio Ferdinand in todays teams.

[OldTowner]

EU, You ask for it every time don't you.

 

I am not aware of anyone on here wanting the Management to SHOUT from the sidelines.

 

What "most of us" have asked for is a Manager that can show a little bit of emotion, direction, leadership and have a plan B if there needs to be a change during the game.

 

Signing a reasonable amount of skilled / talented players instead of anything up to 60 poor ones ( a few exceptions ) might also assist.

[Hawkeye Pierce]

Originally Posted By: Mr Happy

Whoever said ranting from the touchline was needed EU? Shouting and motivating and leading from the bench are what required. Not ranting but not just sitting there quietly. If we leave it to the end of the season to change the manager there will not be time for him to hit the deck running with the new season. Get someone in now who can steady the ship, cull the squad and get the team playing well for the second half of the season and then challenge in 2009/10.

agreed

[Enfield United]

Originally Posted By: Stone Cold

Originally Posted By: Mr Happy

I don't think there has been enough motivation from the bench since we formed!!! Jim and Pete used to moan and groan (and more). SM is quiet. We need a motivational manager with a good track record and tactical awareness.

Totally agree Mr H, Jim was never one to be up off the bench shouting orders & or encouraging, and Pete, well every other word was feck and most of his shouting was aimed at officials.

We need to see someone on the bench with some passion who can shout instructions, encourage & motivate from the side, rather than just sit back & hope things go well.
George Borg for me is the best i've seen, and how we could use someone like him now.

Mr OT-I think you'll find the words shout and instruction used one behind the other in this post. Dont get me wrong I fully understand what your implying and George 'the gob' Borg would be an excellent manager for us, but doubt if it ever materialised.

However, can u name me a leader on the pitch? I know the buck stops with the gaffer but he does not have the right balance on the pitch, Stephenson could be a good leader so long as he is disciplined but our spine is week until Walton, Stephenson, Dauti, Jones and Remy all marry up in one team selection.

Hope i'm not asking for it again

[OldTowner]

EU, Fair points made and NO I do not know who is there to be the leader on the pitch.

We certainly have not had anyone recently.

Perhaps more reason for the Manager to show he is a bit stronger.

 

I think Stevenson could be and the responsibility may actually help his game.

 

Still, it's all in the Manager's Plan !!

[Steph]

The Thamesmead manager was cajoling and encouraging his players throughout. He issued instructions from the bench and changed tactics when necessary. It is that sort of management which is typical at this level.

 

We have seen managers on these threads justify their position and offer support to their players. Premiership managers have to go on the radio/tv directly after a game to justify their tactics/selection and decisions made during a game. SM may feel he is under the microscope but he doesn't appear to justify himself apart from a few words in the programme or an occasional fans meeting.

 

The only tactics I have heard from Stewart was during the Potters Bar game when he asked Luke to swap with Geof for a few minutes. The purpose was not clear to my mind then. It has been reported to me, and at the AGM, it was suggested that Dauti at the PB game asked the manager for tactical instruction. He asked if he should go forward. The reply, I am told, was "If you like." Neither of these instances nor the substitutions in that game fill me with wonder at Stewart's tactical awareness. But I realise that I may be doing him a disservice. After all I have seen Rudi offer tactical insight to the previous management team. (Jim and Peter)

 

 

[Mr Happy]

 

Shouting in my view from the line is a sign of bad management.

 

What a stupid comment!!! This is football, not bl00dy chess!! Should the manager whisper instructions and encouragement from the dugout??!! I suggest a more sedate sport for you to watch!!

[Enfield United]

Originally Posted By: Mr Happy

Shouting in my view from the line is a sign of bad management.

What a stupid comment!!! This is football, not bl00dy chess!! Should the manager whisper instructions and encouragement from the dugout??!! I suggest a more sedate sport for you to watch!!

Thats your view Mr H, but I dont regard it as stupid, my view is that every team that sets out on the pitch on match days should be organised, well drilled and motivated. The players should have been assessed as the ones to have the best opportunitity of getting the best results. Then what? The manager to be shouting and remote controlling player movements. I'm afraid thats a touch dinassaur, which is seen time and time again at our level 5,4,3 levels, thats why those managers are managing at this level and not above.

The manager needs to trust his players to deliver their technique, physical, pschological and social skills once on the pitch, with maybe and only maybe tinkering with an extra man moving to forward position or the reverse to counter his opponents.

By shouting out instructions throughout a game or continuously throughout a game is a sign of bad management, its just my view and how i see things.

A different comparison can be made with youth football, its the idiotic coaches/managers who regularly bellow from the sidelines rather than allowing the youth to discover mistakes or decision make, the coaching and tactics should be done at training.

The failings are that our players are not performing and nor is the manager, however, I can sympothise that the gaffer has a list of key absentees.

[Steph]

So what is Fabio doing during a game which Steve Maclaren clearly failed to do?