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[Enfield United]

One thing us Townies have to be proud of is that although in mid table (ish) position, we still took 100+ to p'bar to back the boys and hope to see us get 3pts. Albeit not to be.

 

One thing that got on my nerves on Saturday was that while the score was 0-0, I could hear negative coments being shouted at our players by our fans, when surely encouragement to get the first goal was more benficial. Willing on our boys is far more benficial than to tell them to 'get off' or tell them what they just did was attrocious.

 

I spoke to a couple of board members, yesterday and they too are as disappointed as we all are in our current position, but do we get in a 4th manager within a year, ofcourse not.

 

We must continue to be proud of our club for what it stands for and analyse and correct our failings at the end of the season. In the meantime the boys need our continued positive support and Stewart must prove he is worthy of another season in the hot seat.

 

He will be more accurately assessed when the bulk of our players return from suspension and injuries in 2-3 weeks time

[lovely stuff]

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4th Manager in a year

Haven't we got the same manager who replaced Jim Chandler??? Or have i been living in the twilight zone?? Ok,Stuart had a joint manger working alongside him for a short time.And then Mike Smee as coach.

[Enfield United]

Originally Posted By: lovely stuff

Quote:

4th Manager in a year

Haven't we got the same manager who replaced Jim Chandler??? Or have i been living in the twilight zone?? Ok,Stuart had a joint manger working alongside him for a short time.And then Mike Smee as coach.

Well try and read the characters i'm referring too, in the last year its been Jim C, then Adam Lee(joint or not joint) and at present Stewart, so I'm looking at it as if we were to change the gaffer now, which i'd be against, just a personal view, then a 4th person will be appointed whom the players were to get managerial instructions from.

[Hawkeye Pierce]

Originally Posted By: Enfield United

I spoke to a couple of board members, yesterday and they too are as disappointed as we all are in our current position, but do we get in a 4th manager within a year, of course not.

So now we know - It is a face saving exercise for the Chairman of the Board who made the selection in the first place.

And for me Stewart is still the second manager town has ever had even if the Board recognising his failings tried to prop him up by making him work with Adam Lee for a while. Don't you just love those rose tinted spectacles!

[Enfield United]

Dont mis-understand me. It was'nt the board members who were against a '4th' gaffer in a year, thats my opinion. I dont also think the board would look to save face either, they are decision makers and in my view competent.

 

The fact they have secured a road to a new stadium speaks volumes, additionally, we will get promoted in the near future, meaning probably within the next couple of seasons.

[Hawkeye Pierce]

Originally Posted By: Enfield United

Dont mis-understand me. It was'nt the board members who were against a '4th' gaffer in a year, thats my opinion. I dont also think the board would look to save face either, they are decision makers and in my view competent.

The fact they have secured a road to a new stadium speaks volumes, additionally, we will get promoted in the near future, meaning probably within the next couple of seasons.

Which means they have other more important things to occupy their minds. "Promotion in near future" priceless! And how many bigger club financiers are going to fail this year and their clubs re-enter at our level? I've got money on a few but i will not be as unkind as to speculate.

[Hawkeye Pierce]

Does this table lie?

 

1 Ware 17 13 1 3 39 20 +19 40

2 Aveley 17 11 6 0 36 15 +21 39

3 Waltham Abbey 17 11 4 2 43 17 +26 37

4 Brentwood Town 16 11 4 1 33 13 +20 37

5 East Thurrock United 15 11 1 3 33 19 +14 34

6 Wingate & Finchley 15 8 5 2 29 15 +14 29

7 Redbridge 16 7 5 4 31 16 +15 26

8 Leyton 16 8 2 6 32 22 +10 26

9 Cheshunt 16 8 2 6 24 20 +4 26

10 Concord Rangers 17 7 4 6 28 18 +10 25

11 Northwood 17 7 4 6 22 19 +3 25

12 Maldon Town 16 7 3 6 24 22 +2 24

13 Tilbury 17 5 4 8 24 25 -1 19

14 Great Wakering Rovers 16 5 4 7 20 27 -7 19

15 Enfield Town 15 5 3 7 30 36 -6 18

16 Thamesmead Town 18 5 3 10 21 34 -13 18

17 Potters Bar Town 16 4 5 7 19 20 -1 17

18 Ilford 16 4 1 11 10 36 -26 13

19 Chatham Town 17 3 2 12 16 30 -14 11

20 Waltham Forest 18 2 3 13 15 41 -26 9

21 Hillingdon Borough 16 2 1 13 10 40 -30 7

22 Witham Town 16 2 1 13 17 51 -34 7

 

[Duke of York]

Originally Posted By: Abu Dhabi

Does this table lie?

1 Ware 17 13 1 3 39 20 +19 40
2 Aveley 17 11 6 0 36 15 +21 39
3 Waltham Abbey 17 11 4 2 43 17 +26 37
4 Brentwood Town 16 11 4 1 33 13 +20 37
5 East Thurrock United 15 11 1 3 33 19 +14 34
6 Wingate & Finchley 15 8 5 2 29 15 +14 29
7 Redbridge 16 7 5 4 31 16 +15 26
8 Leyton 16 8 2 6 32 22 +10 26
9 Cheshunt 16 8 2 6 24 20 +4 26
10 Concord Rangers 17 7 4 6 28 18 +10 25
11 Northwood 17 7 4 6 22 19 +3 25
12 Maldon Town 16 7 3 6 24 22 +2 24
13 Tilbury 17 5 4 8 24 25 -1 19
14 Great Wakering Rovers 16 5 4 7 20 27 -7 19
15 Enfield Town 15 5 3 7 30 36 -6 18
16 Thamesmead Town 18 5 3 10 21 34 -13 18
17 Potters Bar Town 16 4 5 7 19 20 -1 17
18 Ilford 16 4 1 11 10 36 -26 13
19 Chatham Town 17 3 2 12 16 30 -14 11
20 Waltham Forest 18 2 3 13 15 41 -26 9
21 Hillingdon Borough 16 2 1 13 10 40 -30 7
22 Witham Town 16 2 1 13 17 51 -34 7

Now who's got the rose tinted spectacles on? Your table's out of date AD. Town are now 17th and below PBT after yesterday's defeat.

[Hawkeye Pierce]

Just shows this website is out of date too!

[andyetfc]

Commenting on this thread and the result of yesterday's game, can someone tell me from a coach's perspective, why substitute the players we did when we did? The shape of the team disappeared and we were left floundering. If supporters can see it then why cannot the management? I know we are short of players through injuries but we were getting back into the game so 'if it ain't broke then don't fix it!

 

As for a substitute picking up a yellow card for a challenge after just 30 seconds! Words fail me. Sorry, did I call it a challenge?

 

EU - I would be worried if the board members were not worried about the position we are in and what's the news on the new road to the stadium? At this rate, we won't need one.

 

Many supporters were very disappointed yesterday and confused about the final result, especially when we got back into the game. Something has to happen and if it means changing the management and personnel, then so be it. Someone has to make decisions and that's why they are elected into office.

 

Mind you, I will no doubt receive responses such as, 'well what would you do?' or 'we are going through a transition period' so give it time, but........

 

Supporters do care about this club and most have followed non league football for quite some years and are knowledgable. It's a shame they are treated as not having the interests of the club at heart if they voice their opinions.

 

Let's be honest, more overall performances like yesterday and some of those following supporters may decide to only follow the club at home.

 

BTW - 2 tall players at the heart of our defence - it's something we have needed for ages, IMHO.

 

[OldTowner]

Spot on Andy.

 

"Almost" all Town supporters I spoke to at half time questioned the high ball to our "shorter" strikers and asked - why don't we play it on the deck.

Our speed would undo the Pots Bar defence with ease.

 

Second half - get a goal back - running the game and.....STOP, change it around and take off our main striker Hammond.

 

Shape all over the place and the 10 men DO US.

 

Poor Management ( and Player ) performance in my book.

 

I have never been convinced that the Manager actually knows what he is doing.

I do not agree with all the views of - wait till we get this / that player back.

How big is this bloody squad ?

OR

Is it a big, but poor squad ?? ( down to who ? )

 

Don't think many Town supporters came away convinced...do you ?

[Enfield United]

It's difficult to argue the facts presented by Andy and AD. But as a fan I can also see why the board wont change a manager as well.

 

We are not gonna get relegated and would probably cause very much a messier situation bearing in mind we have some players on contract who a new manager may not want and would want to bring in his own.

 

I think whether we like it or not, we have Stewart til the end of the season and logically speaking, we can let him try and prove all the critics wrong when A,B &C are available again, cos if it does not improve, he will surely put up his hands in acceptance.

 

Whatever is decided now or in May, we hope the return of personnel will at least prove we have a good squad amongst us.

 

[andyetfc]

Sorry but putting one's hands up in acceptance doesn't help. As I mentioned earlier, we were back in the game and then changes were made which proved to be costly.

 

In terms of having players on contract who may not be wanted by a new man, that's football and it happens month in and month out throughout football across the whole country.

[waggamick]

Are the players fit?

Are the players committed?

Are the players of average ability?

If the answer is Yes to all of the above then it comes down to team selection, preparation and tactics.

Are players selected in positions that make the most of their individual abilities?

Are the players prepared with a set game plan in mind?

Are match tactics adapted to changing game situations?

Are the players able to carry out the game plan and adapt to changing conditions?

Once again if the answer is Yes to all of the above then a team should win more than they lose.

Simple really.

If it is the player himself that causes you to answer No then upskill him or demote him.

If it is the fact that the coach/manager is unable to establish these conditions then demote or sack him.

 

[Enfield United]

Contracted players are a big issue as the club still needs to pay them whether new manager or not therefore not allowing expenditure on new players to be possible, unless you wanna blow a budget?

 

Your theory is correct Wagga, the manager may have made errors of judgement in this game, however, he cant run or cross the ball for the players, the players in my view are just as responsible, and I think they have let the gaffer down more than the other way round.

[Arkwright]

Originally Posted By: Enfield United

Contracted players are a big issue as the club still needs to pay them whether new manager or not therefore not allowing expenditure on new players to be possible, unless you wanna blow a budget?

Your theory is correct Wagga, the manager may have made errors of judgement in this game, however, he cant run or cross the ball for the players, the players in my view are just as responsible, and I think they have let the gaffer down more than the other way round.

It was the Manager who took a striker off & re-placed him with a centre-half, who went straight into midfield. Oh yes, there was an unused striker on the bench as well.

[Mr Happy]

This season is dead and, I agree, we should not get relegated. However, I was never sure of SM as manager. What's his track record as manager. A poor season st step 5/6 (can't remember which) with Brimsdown followed by half a poor season at step 4 with Ilford. A club with our potential and aspirations needs ssomeone proven at ths level and perhaps even higher and we need this person now so that by the time next season commences we have a strong squad that is ready for a title challenge. This should have been in place at the start of this season but due to the failings of the management we are still having to bring in new players.

[lovely stuff]

I still say that when most of the players are fit,that we have a strong first 11.

Ok,SM has brought in 40-odd players to find 10-15 decent ones,but even so.The question is,can he get them playing consistantly and with passion? Technically we have enough quality in the team to be challanging for promotion.

 

To Stuart's credit,he has worked hard to bring loads of new players into the fold.Unfortunately most have been not the standard required,but he HAS now assembled enough quality.Its just a case of can he motivate and be tactically aware enough to get them playing anywhere near there full potential.

[OldTowner]

Originally Posted By: lovely stuff

To Stuart's credit,he has worked hard to bring loads of new players into the fold.Unfortunately most have been not the standard required,but he HAS now assembled enough quality.Its just a case of can he motivate and be tactically aware enough to get them playing anywhere near there full potential.

Question.
Is he tactically aware when ( at 1 - 1 ) he subs the striker, brings on a centre half and plays him in midfield AND leaves a striker on the bench, unused ?

Easy Question.
What is your answer ?

I did not witness any Passion, Desire or Motivation from the Bench / Management OR "many" of the players on the pitch during Saturdays game.

I agree with the view of many - change NOW - to give the new Manager and Team time to get it sorted out so that we start next season with some positive performances and results.
This season is the best time to do it as we are going nowhere, either up or down.

No action - and I can see crowds and income going down, down, down.

We need a VERY POSITIVE 2nd half / end to this season and all of next, to ensure that the hard work getting the QE Stadium is worth it in 2010 and the years beyond.

It simply will not happen with last Saturdays level of performance, both on and off the pitch.

[The Invisible Man]

This is all very reminiscent of round about this stage last season!

 

Without having seen any games this season, from the results and comments on performances thus far it does seem that the choice of mangement was not a good one. Add to that the individual's track record and you have to wonder about the appointment. Perhaps he was the only applicant, or indeed the 'best' applicant?

 

No matter, what's done is done. The obvious drawback to replacing the management is of course finding a better one. We certianly don't want a manager-less period, or a mananger-less close season leaving the new man with no time to prepare and decide on his best team (we wouldn't want that, would we??).

 

A lesson can perhaps be learned from a nearby professional club. Perhaps we need to be sounding out a new management before dispensing with the existing one. Harsh perhaps but that's football.