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Anton Stephenson makes a stand!

Jenko

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Well done mate!There shouldn't be place for things like that in football.When that sprinter or GB athlete wins medals is considered an heroe while if he's someone that is struggling to get a job is only a black b******!!If I was you I wouldn't play for a club with supporters like that!Totally out of order!!

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Not the most racist slur that I have ever heard....although racism of any kind does not have a place in football.

 

For Anton to walk off the pitch, I am thinking that the abuse must have been more x-rated than reported

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Firstly I agree with the others.... I suspect more was said than was reported. However based on what was reported what I am about to say might be unpopular. In saying it I can assure you I am in no way racist, I socialise and work with people of all ethnic backgrounds. Also I am assuming in the specific incident the ref was a black guy as it does not say that in the report.

 

We have a situation here where the ref has been accused of favouring his own ethnic group when it comes to making decisions during the game. What if a white ref was accused by black players or supporters of favouring white players in decisions? Is that not exactly the same thing...... would we have a white player walking off the pitch and furthermore would we be talking racism. I reckon that the debate would be more about "was there any truth in the alleged accusation of racism made by the black players or supporters"

 

My point is that on one hand we are saying it is racist to make the accusation; on the other hand we are saying the accusers could be the victims.

 

If we are to truly conquer racism and promote equality then we must be equal in our treatment of all situations no matter who is the perpetrator.

 

Please note I sincerely do not wish to offend anybody of any ethnic background who may read this forum. I am simply taking a non-racist logical approach to the issue.

 

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What the point is Boroman is that Tilbury supporters racially abused the ref...the same fans who would buy Anton a beer in the bar and say what a good game he had but behind his back say...'his alright for a black guy....'


Probably they did abuse the ref...... which is totally out of order. I think you have missed my point however.

The report does not detail the abuse. What the report is saying is that those supporters in effect accused the ref of siding with those of his own ethnic background. Therefore they were accussng the ref of being racist. They may have used racial comments in making that point that I don't dispute. All im a simply saying is that if we are consistant we must apply the same logic if a black fan said to a white ref "looking after you white brothers".

I think we are talking at cross purposes here.
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What the point is Boroman is that Tilbury supporters racially abused the ref...the same fans who would buy Anton a beer in the bar and say what a good game he had but behind his back say...'his alright for a black guy....'


Probably they did abuse the ref...... which is totally out of order. I think you have missed my point however.

The report does not detail the abuse. What the report is saying is that those supporters in effect accused the ref of siding with those of his own ethnic background. Therefore they were accussng the ref of being racist. They may have used racial comments in making that point that I don't dispute. All im a simply saying is that if we are consistant we must apply the same logic if a black fan said to a white ref "looking after you white brothers".

I think we are talking at cross purposes here.


Boroman we live in World where white people don't get that much racial abuse in football. I have once in 25 years but you are making a trivial situation out of something that is not. The Tilbury fans racially abused a ref. End of. If a white person came on here and said they were racially abused I'd say exactly the same has I have already said. What's your point? I'm sure if you said a white person had been racially abused everyone would say it is wrong. No one is saying otherwise. Have you ever heard a black player say a white ref is siding with a white player? In 25 years of playing, coaching and watching I haven't.

Two wrongs don't make a right and instead of trying to condone or explain or use the 'I have black friends so I'm not racist' crap just talk about the point in question and not bring up the 'if it happened to a white person' s**t!

As someone I know quite well I totally support Anton and agree with what he did.
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Anton - I can get you a club if you need one.... grin

 

MCP - Thanks you little kent!

 

To be honest lads I'm just fed up of the justification of racial abuse by people saying....'if the person was white.....I'm not racist cos I've got black friends'. For f**ks sake racial abuse is bad whoever it is aimed at white, black or whatever. I hate people who don't talk about the point it question by try to use the 'if the shoe was on the other foot' analogy.

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Jenks

 

I still think you have missed my point and ok perhaps it was about a more wider issue and not this specific one.

 

Yes I make you right, if Anton was upset by the abuse then he did the right thing. I wish some of our black players had done the same when they were taking cr&p in Spain and Croatia.

 

I think we might agree to slightly disagree on this but I will leave you with this comparison that might undline where I was coming from.

 

The short version of an Austrailian is an Aussie and it is widly used without a second thought. When the short version of Pakistani is used it is considered offence as possibly rightly so. However either they are both offensive or neither are, you can't apply different rules to each one.

 

By the way do you know what Anton is going to do?

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Boroman again you are wrong. You are talking about abbreviating a name. How on earth is that the same as racially abusing a ref because he makes a decsion in favour of a player the same colour as him?

 

The word Aussie, Brit, Scot etc are used as an abbreviation by both Aussie's, Brit's etc and those referring to them and it is not used in an offensive manner. The word Paki was used or became used as a derogatory term and meant to offend and was used against Indians, Pakistanis and Bengali's. I've never known an Asian person to refer to themselves as a Paki but I've known many Australians and Scottish people who refer to themselves as Aussies and Scots.

 

I hate the PC world we live in and people who use the 'race card' but Boroman you seriously need to stop using different analogies because all you are doing in condoning what went on. You are basically saying....'well it's ok because if it happend to a white person no one would say anything...'.

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