Whilst on the subject of Bullies

[Bitch]

Originally Posted By: Krooner

Now TSF if I didnt know better.....

I don't believe that refs at any level are any worse than they ever were. Have you ever listened to 6 people watching the same match and they all have a differing view on the game/offences? The ref is one man making the call. He's the man in the 'middle' and calls it as he sees. He doesn't have the benefit of every angle.

I think the difference now as to the good old days is the degeneration of society i.e manners. We need good people like Krooner to stand up and speak. Before we all go to hell in a handcart

[Krooner]

And you attitude Duncs is what the problem is. All I want as a referee is to be treated with respect. I go out to referee to do the very best I can do and if I make a mistake not to be called "You fecking useless kent" from either players or the benches. Just trying to remember the last time I witnessed a player miss a penalty and his coach get out of the dugout and call him "A fecking uselss kent" Oh that will be never. The number of referees get lower and lower each year because of the abuse received. I get decisions wrong but never on purpose. Try and remember that. And when you bleat about referees not wanting to talk to you perhaps remember that is because the last time you said something to them it was at the top of your oive and invariably has the word "Feck" in it. Perhaps what referees should all do is to apply the letter of the law and as soon as someone utters that word they are sent off. They are the laws of football so no one can complain if they do.

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

swearing is infectious. go in a pub after work, people talking normally , one guy comes in , had a bad day, he's effing and blinding. If landlord times it right and asks him to tone it down a bit it will stop. if not everyone starts swearing. it becomes the norm.

 

officials should not be sworn at full stop, you effing anything should be a red card.

hes effing took me legs ref, a warning. a player who has missed a sitter or shanked into touch who swears, club fine and polite chat.

 

at the spurs a guy behind me can cuss for england, if there are women or kids I ask him not to, first time he told me where to go, i repeated request (!) and he was fine. it can be done.

[SurreyLegend]

I believe that Refs should not be sworn at. I do lose my temper and swear but if the ref sends me off for doing it then I will learn my lesson. I do believe that football as a whole should ban swearing completly. Why should my niece come to a game and hear every swear word possible. Ban swearing and the game will get better for the fans. For some reason the FA puts more emphasis on tackles than conduct.

[duncs]

Agression or what Kroons, as a manager i.ve never sworn at a Ref and I always tell my players to leave the officials alone, I was merely jesting at what the future might hold for football if this current trend continues.what you seem to forget is football is a game of opinions some people think your good some think your bad that applies to me as a manager as well the difference is to me it is water off a ducks back.

[NUMBER ONE]

football is a very passionate game and tempers and emotions TEND to be high most games, but as i have said on many occasions alot of the sh~t that referees get is brought on by themselves and their decisions, i am not saying that all refs are crap as out of the 6 league games we have had 4 that in my opinion were excellent the other 2 dont know how they have reached this level, but this respect campaign has nothing to do with respect because respect is not a one way street no this respect campaign should really be called 'every body shut up the referee is above the law' campaign as thats what it is bringing to the game, rather than spend all this money on this respect campaign why dont they get all the refs together so they are all on the same wave length and consistent rather than one week its a good tackle next week its a sending off.

[johncrow]

You really do miss the point Mick those 4 that had "good games" was only your opinion. How many of your players had 4 out of 6 good games? the 2 that you thought had bad games probably felt the need to make a decision or two you disagreed with.

Looking at the fact that your club i.e. you are up on a disiplinery charge for abuse of officials speaks volumes for your opinion.

[Lightning McQueen]

[Roland]

Lets not just think that this is about officials. unless ive read this wrong, its about respect for everyone, including player to player. this seems to be what part of the problem is,

that some officials feel, that its all about them. i feel that ongoing training is needed, yes they know the rules. are they fit

how are there man mangement skills. what are they like under pressure.this may come from spectators. we all have a part to play,but what i would say is that the slate should be wiped clean. and everyone judged on the day, not as JC feels that if you dare to have an opinion your wrong.

 

[johncrow]

Not my point at all Roland its all about the way opinions are put. I think the Captain/referee intiative is working well with the communication. You can have a banter with most refs during a game and of course there are refs that seem to suffer from personality deficit.

What I do disagree with is the direct personnal abuse that unfortunately happens from time to time.

It would be nice if man management and communication were part of a referees education and it may be but I'm not sure.

[Terrence Collina]

ok, it was almost 15 years ago I took my ref's course, (yes everyone knows now that I am a referee although non active).

 

One thing that sticks in my mind is that when a player is cautioned or dismissed, the referee is supposed to advise him of why they are being cautioned/dismissed. I think that of the 15+ cards that I have had, only 3 or 4 times I have been fully advised of the reason why (although I have known each time) That is the man management aspect. Look at Mark Halsey on the weekend. He just flashed a red card at Terry and told him to get off. Everyone thought it was a professional foul until a day or two later when it came out it was for Serious Foul Play. Had Halsey said that to Terry, then I am sure that there would have been less (not none) agro.

 

With what goes on at our level, players, managers and officials see it on the TV and think that it is ok when the Pro game in terms of discipline is a poor example to follow

[DorkingDave]

Refereeing, what a thankless task. I qualified 30 odd years ago, reffed Sunday matches on a regular basis from age of 17 for a couple of years. Obviuosly being mostly pub teams there were no appointed linesmen, and on occasions no subs will to act as linesmen.

 

My motivation for qualifying at the time, was my total lack of ability at the beautiful game, and a wish to take part in some manner.

 

Most weeks I would leave the match, vowing to never referee again, following the torrents of abuse and intimidation by both teams.

 

As Krooner has said, undoubtedly I made some dreadful decisions, but never purposely.

 

More recently I have refereed some kids 7 aside, and reffed and run the line for some vets matches. The abuse continues...

 

What I find most surprising, is that veterans still deny wrong doing when caught cheating.

 

I remember form the refereeing course all those years ago that The Referees decision is final

[Krooner]

Your comment made me laugh Roland ! Of course there are referees that think it is all about them. Good job there are no players around who think for example that they should be allowed to get away with shirt pulling but as soon as someone touches them it is an instant foul !!! No matter how bad the referee may or may not be in the eyes of each player, manager, coach and supporters he or she does not deserve to be verbally abused. Perhaps Roland you could enlighten me to the last time when you were having a complete nightmare of a game that the match referee came up to you after one particularly bad mistake and called you "A fecking uselss kent!"

[Roland]

if i charged someone for my service, and was being not very good. would someone

be wrong to call me it. or should we just be grateful.

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

would you swear at a waiter who wasnt quick enough?

 

or a barman who served someone else out of turn?

 

or a linesman who didnt give a throw your way?

 

personally i think they are all gits of the highest order but Ive learnt telling them dont help much.

[duncs]

I said to a well known local ref when I was a player,your having a mare today ref and he replied,not as bad as your no3 he is sh1t it stopped us in our tracks and we had a laugh about it,in a strange way he got respect because he didn't take it personally and he was right our 3 dog was sh1t.

[Teflon]

Originally Posted By: duncs

I said to a well known local ref when I was a player,your having a mare today ref and he replied,not as bad as your no3 he is sh1t it stopped us in our tracks and we had a laugh about it,in a strange way he got respect because he didn't take it personally and he was right our 3 dog was sh1t.

Well said Krooner

[duncs]

no Teffs it wasn't kroons he was still in his dads ball bag,but it was a useless fat kent but an older version

[Teflon]

Crickey Dunc's how old are you !! cus Krooners a right old lardy kent

[Big J R]

More lady refs, I say !

 

Where are they this season ?

 

I'm told that Bookham Bob's getting withdrawal symptons, (and I mean that in the 'nicest possible sense')