Spidermanor Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Sorry to start a new topic, but the GM felt the need to lock the thread this response was made on, when it should be a free and open debate. Now then my response. I fully agree with the stance on bullying and threatening behaviour as all right minded people will. However, on this forum and this forum only the moderation has spiralled out of control, and certain members arer allowed to do what they wish in order to goad/wind up other members whilst any responses are deleted and members banned. Some would call this somewhat overzealous behaviour. Now to a case in point Rhodes recently threatened me on another thread, I in turn replied politely and asked him to explain his reasons for said thread. He of course now that the posts have been helpfully deleted has suffered his usual bout of memory loss when found out by others (though his response does helpfully reinforce my point in the locked thread). These posts and possibly others by other members (I can't be sure about the latter point, as I was out socialising for most of Friday)have been deleted. Their was no consultation with members, either to ask them if they felt action should be taken or to moderate (no pun intended) their responses if necessary. You say anyone who threatens/bullies other members will be dealt with, to date the only people I have seen banned are people who question the way things are run (except for Gavin of course, no arguments there), their choice of language might be felt to be strong but reasoned debate can sort out problems. But then of course to have reasoned debate you have to two parties who accept that the other may have a point. Unfortunately the GM seems to want to debate with the delete button only. The view of many people who used to post here regularly is that this is unacceptable, and I wonder if Ian is fully aware of how his website is being systimatically run down by people who ostensibly supposed to be helping him. Finally thanks for your informative message as you seem to have slipped a bit and written it in your usual style, thanks for that. Oh and as to you your little rule additions...ever read 'Animal Farm' by George Orwell? ------------------------------------------------------------------ One does not have to belong to the SSML to understand that bullying, and foul and abusive personal insults on these forums is unacceptable. Banning of persons unable to adhere to this simple rule will continue. Hardly 'indiscriminate' is it. Either play nicely or leave. _________________________ Below are some basic rules we ask that you follow in addition to our Membership Agreement and legally-oriented Conditions of Use. Do not flame, harass, bash, abuse, or make threats to any person, any company, or any group. If we receive a complaint we will look into it and read the topic. Our decision will be final. We will not enter into discussion by PM or on the Forums. Anyone not adhering to these rules may face a ban. Our aim is for everybody to be able to enjoy this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mod Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 You do not seem to be able to understand that the members who were banned were abusive, and unfortunately incapable of debate. Posts will be removed if they are unfit to remain on a public forum. Ofcourse there will be no debate about that as it would rather defeat the object. I've never received a complaint from you or anyone else suggesting that Rhodes had issued a threat or abuse. If you percieve a threat was issued why bring it up now and not at the time? Unfortunately it was some of the regular posters on here who were unable to moderate themselves that has led to this situation. Perhaps with their self imposed exile other SSML users will be able to enjoy these forums without fear of abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Spidermanor - Actually I made the Gloal Moderator's post spot on and hopefully it has succeeded in clearing the air, with everyone but you that is. If you think I threatened you recently on another thread then I apologise but I certainly don't remember doing so. Now you only have 45 minutes to get to Hayes, Lato and Manorborn will be waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagey Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Rhodes threaten someone..... give us another, Rhodes is the least threaten one on here. Most annoying in some eyes yes, but certainly not agressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidermanor Posted August 30, 2008 Author Share Posted August 30, 2008 Originally Posted By: Global Mod You do not seem to be able to understand that the members who were banned were abusive, and unfortunately incapable of debate. Posts will be removed if they are unfit to remain on a public forum. Ofcourse there will be no debate about that as it would rather defeat the object. I've never received a complaint from you or anyone else suggesting that Rhodes had issued a threat or abuse. If you percieve a threat was issued why bring it up now and not at the time? Unfortunately it was some of the regular posters on here who were unable to moderate themselves that has led to this situation. Perhaps with their self imposed exile other SSML users will be able to enjoy these forums without fear of abuse. Thanks for confirming that you delete posts without reading them. As the posts of mine deleted by the GM yesterday, clearly spelt out that Rhodes had made a threat to me and requested that he explain why he felt the need to do so. They were not abusive and broke none of the old or new rules you have created. Your position on who or what gets moderated is crystal clear, as you should be capable of taking action on unacceptable behaviour regardless of whether a formal complaint has been made. You are certainly quick enough to delete critical regime messages. As to why no complaint was made about Rhodes behaviour, there are two reasons. The first was to allow him the opportunity to accept the inappropriateness of his actions, the second of is that everyone on here knows that Rhodes is a protected species and no harm is ever allowed to come to him. Oh and glad to see that you've already broken one of your rules by entering into a debate on a moderation issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidermanor Posted August 30, 2008 Author Share Posted August 30, 2008 Ooh, the reserves have been sent in. Pagey a threat doesn't have to be aggressive to be a threat. Hope the following helps: Threat: noun an expression of intent to injure or punish another. an indication of imminent danger. a person who is regarded as a danger; a menace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Hamnett TSF Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 what did rhodes say to threaten you spidermanor? was it the post i saw that said "id be very careful if i were you"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagey Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 nope not the reserves, just someone who think Rhodes gets to much grief on the Forum Glad you mum bought you a dictionary Rhodes is a lot of things, but I have never seen him threaten, or be aggresive to anyone. If he has then report it. The mods can look in the graveyard for deleted posts and see what was put Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Originally Posted By: Spidermanor Rhodes is a protected species and no harm is ever allowed to come to him. Spidermanor - This is certainly not the case as the yellow card has been brandished, Ben Furneaux style, on many occasions yet I'm the first to apologise if I unwittingly offend anyone with an off the cuff remark or over step the mark in any way. TheSpursFan is right as all I suggested was that you watch your step, following Gavin's ban, as you might be next, I don't regard that as a threat however if you took offence then I apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Man Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Originally Posted By: Global Mod Posts will be removed if they are unfit to remain on a public forum. ...but only in the opinion of certain individuals, rather than being a collective opinion or in response to a complaint. Unfortunately, unless the attitude of moderating this forum changes, Ian is going to be losing money as several Gold Members will not be renewing under the present conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mod Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Paying for Gold Membership does not include a right to abuse. You may notice that the 'collective' opinion/abuse on here is now at an end. You and the other users can choose to either discuss football, have a little fun and humour or leave for the type of short lived forum that will allow the alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Football Man Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 I note in your "basic rules" that you do not allow harassment. Does this include a certain member highlighting every match that Mr. Peter Panayatiou is appointed to, often accompanied with the phrase "be afraid, be very afraid" as an intimidatory warning to the two sides involved in the fixture? And will you be taking appropriate action against the perpetrator or will you just turn a blind eye because of who it is? (PS - plenty more instances where that came from and, before UU starts, if I'm just pointing out breaches of the "basic rules", it doesn't really count as bullying) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mod Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Pete the Greek is an official. He refs and runs the line and comes on these forums and gives a good account of himself. He's never complained. If he finds it personally upsetting he can let me know. As far as i can tell he takes it in good part and stands his ground on behalf of the refereeing world. It could be seen as bullying and aggressive a certain Monthly Poll towards a user. I've not received a complaint from Rhodes regarding this thread, if he chooses to let me know he finds it personally insulting i'll deal with it. At the moment i assume he finds it amusing in a different way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Hamnett TSF Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 what is meant by flame and bash on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mod Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Originally Posted By: thespursfan what is meant by flame and bash on here? It was copied from the original rules. We can take it that 'flame' can be interpreted as inflame to cause abuse and harassment and 'bash' as beating a forum user with personal insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Originally Posted By: Football Man Ian is going to be losing money as several Gold Members will not be renewing under the present conditions I thought Ian has made it perfectly clear that money is not his God, unlike it is with some members, and I understand is happy for the Forum to run at a loss, he does an excellent job with the limited resources available to him and failing health so why not give him the credit he deserves rather than make his life un-necesarily difficult. What game were you at today by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Hamnett TSF Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 ok thanks gm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Originally Posted By: Global Mod Pete the Greek is an official. He refs and runs the line I may be wrong but I don't believe Petethegreek has ever Refereed a SSML match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTFCew Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Rhodes - tell the truth now. Did you actually ever PM Ian complaining about being bullied, or were you just saying you had to wind people up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Yes I did PM Ian on a number of occasions but, as I think I pointed out at the time, he never responded so I just let it go, anyway as Global Mod rightly points out it is all give and take and PetetheGreek in particular gives as good as he gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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