Graham S Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Well said, RR. What a great day that was last May. Quite a bit to suggest, in what I saw last night, that we'll all have a fair bit to cheer about on the pitch this coming season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darter Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Graham , your posts this last week or so have been the highlight of both the forums for me. Thanks for being so positive and for posting such sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannah Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Originally Posted By: Riverview Red I have not read nor commented on this forum for ages but have just spent a while reading this thread Where has all this anger and animosity come from ? My last memory of a Fleet game was that great day at Wembley. In a nutshell, without the MyFC investment the club would have gone bust last Easter and there would be no club. This is a fact as far as I know and as an actual share holder (not MyFC),I saw the books - it was a horror story of amazing magnitude! Whether anyone agrees with the MyFC ideas or thoughts about running a club, it is irrelevant. I repeat, without their investment we wouldn't be watching football this coming season in Northfleet. So what's the problem guys ? Us long standing supporters (40 years on my record) have a team to watch, in our local stadium (known affectionately as "The shed of dreams"). So what can be so bad in that? If the renewals of MyFC are not forthcoming, so what, we are in a much better position than before the webby boys bought us. If we are playing well and near the top of the league, attendances will go up, if not, we will attract the usual 900 die hards like last season + visitors. At least now we have the security of seeing our boys in red for a few more years at least. Also, if these guys are so angry with each other, why don't they meet face to face to clear the air rather than slag each other off on this forum. Grow up boys please ! I think the general feeling is that MyFc is all good and well as long as they don't interfere with the manager's decisions.The amnosity is there because of the ideas of some of the minority, idiots that have signed up and disrespect the long-standing fans of this club. People here have a right to react to it, and a face to face meeting probably wouldn't work considering how far away most of the members are from here! I think the amount of amnosity towards MyFc in general has definitely died down in the past few months now that the PTT idea has drifted away. My own view has changed slightly on the matter because since the take over, nothing has affected my enjoyment of attending the Fleet, everything is the same and as of yet (and probably/hopefully never) MyFc haven't been able to change anything behind the scenes. Instead they have done things such as raise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darter Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Yes Hannah, all seems well on the pitch which is great. But what your post actually seems to be saying is "MyFC is all well and good if the members actually don't have any of the rights they were promised and that they signed up for". This is of course simply saying that MyFC has been a useful way of getting a big injection of cash and lots of publicity. And as for disrespect, I'm afraid on the MyFC forum you wouldn't be able to get away with the kind of personal insults which have been thrown at some MyFC members who post here. I'm afraid this is completely unrealistic and only serves to fuel the fires. I know you are a long-standing fan and I respect your views, but I have just come off the MyFC forum where one member after another is saying why he won't be renewing. PTT is not the main issue, but as most of those who have posted above have identified, there has to be some recognition that the club were happy to do the deal with MyFC knowing what that meant, and that they knew what they were signing up to when they struck that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannah Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Originally Posted By: Darter Yes Hannah, all seems well on the pitch which is great. But what your post actually seems to be saying is "MyFC is all well and good if the members actually don't have any of the rights they were promised and that they signed up for". The way I see it though, if all the members really wanted to PTT, then why are only a handful voting for it? MyFc had the right to vote for their say and hardly anybody bothered. Originally Posted By: Darter And as for disrespect, I'm afraid on the MyFC forum you wouldn't be able to get away with the kind of personal insults which have been thrown at some MyFC members who post here. I've seen plenty from the other side as well, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darter Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Hannah, it's really not just about PTT, that is now a red herring - there's lots of other things the MyFC members were promised and which many feel haven't yet been delivered. And as for trading personal insults, I hope I haven't done that. There have actually been just a handful of MyFC members posting on the Ebbsfleet forum here - out of 30,000! I have tried hard to encourage them to come on here - some lurk and don't post. Of course, most of the 30,000 don't post on the MyFC forum either - which is another problem for MyFC. The MyFC Operator has no idea how thousands of people who paid their money actually feel about it all now. It's all a bit of a lottery, but I think about two-thirds won't renew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsmith Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Originally Posted By: Darter PTT is not the main issue, but as most of those who have posted above have identified, there has to be some recognition that the club were happy to do the deal with MyFC knowing what that meant, and that they knew what they were signing up to when they struck that deal. Now that PTT is out the window, what sort of token would you suggest? Here we have a paradoxial situation, if you want MyFC members to renew you need to give them a big enough effect on the club. i.e. the role PTT played, but such a change alienates the existing fans. That's why we're in a difficult position, because you can't keep both crowds happy. More conservative activities will disenfranchise MyFC members who signed up to run a club, and active changes will negatively affect a large number of the existing local fan base. That's the fundamental problem with MyFC, it doesn't adapt well to an exisiting football club. It would work well with a start up club, i.e. MyFootballClub F.C. Both groups understandably have grievances with the current situation, and this isn't a problem I can see resolved easily. Not without giving MyFC some important control which doesn't conflict with the interests of the majority of local fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eufckev Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 I warn you, Darter has an answer to evrything. She's like the "jc" of the MyFC forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannah Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Originally Posted By: eufckev I warn you, Darter has an answer to evrything. She's like the "jc" of the MyFC forum. Only one important difference being that jc has sensible answers! I'm sure he'll appreciate that comparison! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsmith Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 ^ Updated post above On the contrary it's an answer I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darter Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 First of all, there is a misconception about this forum on the MyFC forum. I have been posting tonight on that forum and getting flack yet again about this. A very influential member on there has completely dismissed you because he says you are all rude to MyFC members. I said you are not all like that, not at all ... and of course, most EUFC long-standing fans don't post on ANY forum. Nevertheless, you ARE the EUFC originals to some of the MyFC members - and what they see here colours their judgement. The other day, someone said to me "You make me vomit" or something similar, for no reason - I hadn't been offensive at all. I don't get bothered but other people think that is awful. SO I think we need to get over that and show what is actually being said in many of the constructive posts on here. Because you are absolutely right, bsmith - there has to be some compromise on both sides. But first, there has to be trust at an individual level, person to person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
American FLEET FAN No1 Posted July 31, 2008 Share Posted July 31, 2008 Get Benedict Arnold off this website, then I won't have to be "rude"(not that i think I have) to any MyFC member! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_Dyke Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Wasnt Benedict Arnold, Tony Blackburn's dog ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted August 1, 2008 Author Share Posted August 1, 2008 Originally Posted By: Darter A very influential member on there has completely dismissed you because he says you are all rude to MyFC members. This would be the same member that has openly stated on at least two occasions that Allstars and I should be banned from the ground would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 The one and the very same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris blanc Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Originally Posted By: Jeff Originally Posted By: Darter A very influential member on there has completely dismissed you because he says you are all rude to MyFC members. This would be the same member that has openly stated on at least two occasions that Allstars and I should be banned from the ground would it? Can't disagree with him there. Disgraceful the pair of you, with the drinking and the football watching and occasional chanting. I'm sure I heard you swear there once too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsmith Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Originally Posted By: chris blanc Can't disagree with him there. Disgraceful the pair of you, with the drinking and the football watching and occasional chanting. I'm sure I heard you swear there once too None of this nonsense in my day, really all people except those on the pitch should be banned from the stadium. Broadcast matches on MyFC.com instead ;-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Urchin Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Originally Posted By: Darter A very influential member on there has completely dismissed you because he says you are all rude to MyFC members. Originally Posted By: Jeff This would be the same member that has openly stated on at least two occasions that Allstars and I should be banned from the ground would it? being influential and being sensible do not always go hand in hand jeff..!! and he's right as well...god knows how many times you and the ruthlessly cut throat harry have been cruel to me and I am a member.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clowntown Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 I've been saying since pretty much Day One that this whole MyFC thing would be a one way deal, and every day sees more people finally admitting to that reality. Renewals will be closer to 5,000 than 10,000, which would mean too little income for MyFC to financially manage themselves let alone EUFC. Instead of slagging off MyFC, the most sensible thing legacy EUFC fans could be doing is trying to line up someone (be it a consortium of EUFC supporters, a sugar daddy, or a company like Eurostar - my suggested best option) to take over EUFC when MyFC pull out in March. Or is that too much like hard work? Complaining is easy enough, complaining about people who are doing the things you yourself can't be arsed is hippocracy of the first order. This isn't directed at all legacy suporters by any means, but those who it is directed at hopefully know who they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darter Posted August 1, 2008 Share Posted August 1, 2008 Hello all Just thought I'd let you know that the censorship on MyFC has now been extended to the off-topic area, where a thread which has been running for several months with almost 200 pages has been closed today. I have tried to start another one, but have been told that my thread has been rejected. Now, I am a forum activist - but they are now gagging me and those who think like me. Beware. If the non-active members don't renew and the active ones don't either .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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