Fri 3pm Deadline - To use your MYFC PTT Vote

[rsheard]

Sally, I'm saddened by what's happened between you and MyFC. You've long been cheerleader for this project and for you to feel totally disillusioned now is hard to see. What's worse, and call me an optimist, it's happened to you at a time when I finally am getting some hope the members might actually begin to have a voice about important issues (because of the Voting Committee). Please don't read this as any type of criticism on you; it's most definitely not. I just hate the thought of MyFC and the Fleet without you.

[Darter]

Hello Rob, thanks for your nice words. I don't think the VC will work 'cos the whole premise is now fundamentally flawed. Webbo is arguing this point most intelligently in the Soapbox at the moment, but no-one seems to understand what he's saying. It's too much like Big Brother. I don't want to be part of someone else's project - and that's how it feels right now. I have seen some nasty attacks on people recently and I don't mean myself - I get emails from people who copy me into the replies they have received. And you'd be surprised how many people think the PM system is being monitored - whether it is or not, people feel that way, which is symptomatic in itself.

Most people couldn't care less if I'm there or not, so I think I can safely direct my energies elsewhere!! But thank you anyway xx

[Chopper TN]

Folks,

Right now, I look at it as MyFC is going through growing pains and hopefully it will work itself out (sooner rather than later)

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: Darter

Most people couldn't care less if I'm there or not, so I think I can safely direct my energies elsewhere!! xx

and indeed you shall Ms CEO....

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: Darter

Most people couldn't care less if I'm there or not

And why should they? You are just one of 30,000. Why should one be more important than any other?

Joining a club like MyFC means that a single voice will always count for very little - that surely is the idea of the entire "Wisdom of the Masses" line.

And from what I have read, and heard - its not those who make the most noise that are making the decisions - the "silent majority" seem to have had their way on the last few votes.

[rsheard]

Pat, I think you're right regarding voting and it will probably always be that way. I have no problem with that, actually. Some members have clearly been more involved in many other ways, and Sal made the extra effort to support these initiatives, as well as to travel to the ground often.

 

That doesn't make her more important than anyone else. But I just hate to see someone who was so enthusiastic become disillusioned so quickly.

[Slartibartfast]

Add to that the fact that Sal is Queen of Off Topic.

 

Off Topic is the place that all the nutters hang out and it is a small island of sanity in the sea of arguments before, during and after every vote that the rest of the foums have become.

 

The arguments can be entertaining but every so often a dose of Off Topic is very therapeutic.

[PatMan]

Disillusioned with what tho? Darter seems to be complaining that MyFC is no longer 'grass-roots' and has turned into a 'supporters club'... What did she expect from global marketing about a football team?

 

If the forums are too moderated for her, she need not use them - it seems that many agree with her, and keep away from them for that reason.

 

Nothing will stop her turning up at the ground if she still feels strongly, and after 2 visits the club will actually benefit more financially than from her MyFC membership anyway.

 

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

Originally Posted By: doheochai

MyFC members better be willing to put their hand in their pockets and make up the shortfall in funding that will arise as a consequence.

Apologies for the slight editing, but thats one thing that cannot be levelled at MyFC, they are quite good at putting their hands in their pockets.

You mentioned this in another post - if the membership declined hugely, there would probably be enough willing people left who would pay 2 or 3 times the current rate in order for MyFC to continue.
Would this continue without promotion/further cup glory? Who knows... But some of 'them' have caught the Fleet bug, and are hooked now - next step, getting more of them through the gates...

But would they have to pay two/three times the percentage to the Website King?

[Darter]

Originally Posted By: Uncle Urchin

Originally Posted By: Darter

Most people couldn't care less if I'm there or not, so I think I can safely direct my energies elsewhere!! xx

and indeed you shall Ms CEO....

x

[Darter]

PatMan, I'll still bung some money in - even now, I've paid for a second year and I'd already bought an 11-game mini season ticket (which I have now given away). At the end of the day, it's my money they need - not me

[Uncle Urchin]

the fundamental problem with mass moonie type organisations is that they do not have the creeds or cultures to allow for individual flair or ability....everyone except the man at the top and his selected band of cronies/acolytes must be treated the same...

 

it simply does not and cannot work as the western world is wholly mentally and genetically structured to allow for the strong to flourish ..... members with much to offer are not allowed such enterprise and will become frustrated and eventually move on to pastures new where their talents are able to surface...

 

is it me or is wanchai becoming disillusioned with it all...several sensible posts in the last couple of days have worried me considerably....my goodness he is even advocating the removal of PTT...

[Darter]

Uncs, I thought the same about doheochai. To be fair to him, he has on a number of occasions been the one to break ranks and present the dissenting view on the MyFC Forum and hasn't ever been afraid to do that. He has at least been brave enough to come onto this forum and to enter into the argument and debate with long-standing Fleet fans - without a great deal of support from other Web Team or Forum Team colleagues, it has to be said, when the going got tough.

 

And your summary of The Fundamental Problem (as I shall now refer to it) is spot-on, in my opinion

 

 

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: Darter

Uncs, I thought the same about doheochai. To be fair to him, he has on a number of occasions been the one to break ranks and present the dissenting view on the MyFC Forum and hasn't ever been afraid to do that.

Been afraid to post something on an INTERNET message board? FFS, what kind of set-up do you have over there?

And people wonder why theres no great rush from those on the outside to sign up?

[Darter]

PatMan, it has been fierce on there at times, I have to say!

[Bernard]

Originally Posted By: Darter

So even if you aren't a MyFC member - and I know many on this forum are not - you will still be affected by what happens there if you follow the Fleet.

The difference is that those of us who have followed the Fleet through thick and thin for years will continue to support the club regardless of what happens to it. If MyFC ruins us, we'll just have to start again somewhere else - I for one won't stop supporting the Fleet. I shan't be crying if we fail to get into the league in the next ten, twenty or even fifty years - there are enough die-hards willing to keep the club going regardless of the outcome of this sorry venture.

[Darter]

Yes I'm sure that's the case, Bernard, and my feelings about the running and direction of MyFC do not reflect what I wish for EUFC. That's why I'll still continue to support the team financially, by renewing and contributing to requests for donations, as in the recent successful venture to raise

[BustaGut]

All seems a little of it's my ball I'm going home. If I cannot pick the team I'm going to sulk etc. Ebbsfleet Utd is still a Grassroots football club. Nothing has changed in my eyes, other than PTT. It may be a very important part of running the team, but over the whole spectrum of running Ebbsfleet Utd is only a very small part. MYFC still has the power over a lot of people lively-hoods and also the name and reputation of the club is in there hands. The everyday running of the team may not be as exciting as saying that you pick players of a football team, but the everyday decisions are as, if not more important.

The Things that MYFC change build up, improve, or even make worse. The choices and decisions they make, can and will reflects what happen on the pitch.

They have a impact with every decision that they make. So to say its not grassroots football because they cannot pick the team anymore is poppycock.

I see it as power or ego trip, being in the limelight. So the members who depart MYFC because they can no longer have a say in picking the team. do we want or need there patronage? The main stumbling block between MYFC and Ebbsfleet Utd hardcore has now been removed. This should now stop most of the arguing and back biting, allowing everyone to work together and all pull in the same direction. End of sermon

[rsheard]

I think we're making some connections that don't necessarily go together. We've heard from a very vocal group (not large, but vocal) that the only reason they joined was to PTT, and if they don't get to, they're gone. But in the unofficial poll and in the vote for yesterday's game, the actual percentage of people choosing the hard line PTT option was relatively small. So I don't think it's necessarily true that if PTT disappears, we'll automatically lose half the members. Their own votes don't support that conclusion.

 

What is MUCH more worrying is the low turnout on most votes. Maybe it's just because of summer. We don't know. But I suspect we'll lose more members in February from apathy than from disillusionment over PTT.

 

So as I see it, MyFC's two crucial goals this season are to shore up our own membership (and recruit heavily for new members), and do anything within its power to help put more fans in the ground. If we manage those two things, it will be a successful year for me. Given yesterday's attendance, that's a good start.

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

Originally Posted By: Darter

Uncs, I thought the same about doheochai. To be fair to him, he has on a number of occasions been the one to break ranks and present the dissenting view on the MyFC Forum and hasn't ever been afraid to do that.

Been afraid to post something on an INTERNET message board? FFS, what kind of set-up do you have over there?

And people wonder why theres no great rush from those on the outside to sign up?

sal does have a point about wanchai tho pat....god knows I have posted my opinions on him enough times but his views have changed somewhat as he has monitored the events and the changes and as sal said...at least he had the balls to come on here and try....has brooks or any of his acolytes...?

fairs fair where fairs due...

oh and by the way sal was talking about this message board that can be quite hostile at times...