There will be a "Let Liam pick the team" Button

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Prisma

easy really the then owners get their money back if myfc fails in feb the old owners step back in as heros

Irrespective of what happens in February - do you seriously think the members of MyFC will sell the club back to the previous owners. There are significantly better options available.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Originally Posted By: Prisma

easy really the then owners get their money back if myfc fails in feb the old owners step back in as heros

Irrespective of what happens in February - do you seriously think the members of MyFC will sell the club back to the previous owners. There are significantly better options available.

Such as?

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Irrespective of what happens in February - do you seriously think the members of MyFC will sell the club back to the previous owners. There are significantly better options available.

well if I recall correctly... should the membership fall below 15000 then brooks grabs everything.....correct me if I am wrong...

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Irrespective of what happens in February - do you seriously think the members of MyFC will sell the club back to the previous owners. There are significantly better options available.

You cant SELL what you dont OWN...

If it does all go "titz-up" aren't you compelled to GIVE the club to another trust?

[BustaGut]

I thought the old fleet board had first option?

MYFC Members own nothing, so as you say PatMan they have nothing to sell, been telling them for months, but they just don't want to listen

[rsheard]

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the 15,000 threshold you mention is the operator's benchmark. The operator can pull out of the contract with the society if we have fewer than 15,000 members. That doesn't affect the club ownership, however, as the members would still have to decide whether to continue with another operator or sell the club.

 

I think I read in one article that the previous owners do have first right of refusal should MyFC decide to sell. The proceeds from any sale must go to some charity to be decided later.

 

I hope I have that all right. BustaGut, individually, you're right that we don't "own" anything, but collectively, that's not accurate. The MyFC Society is the principal owner of the club. It's just that the membership of that society is open and fluid.

[Stonebridge Red]

On the management issue, should LD leave at some point, which hopefully of course he wont, should we go for an experienced Manager? or a Fleet legend, such as Jacko or Steve Portway? that have zero management experience but would be very well received at Stonebridge Road, I personally feel that Liam has no plans to leave and has already said that he has a job to finish at Ebbsfleet, so this discussion is purely about opinions. It would be great to see Jacko return to the club in Management, anyone at the Kent Senior Cup Semi Final at Margate would know the high regard in which he will always be held at the club, every touch of the ball was cheered and at times you wondered if he had suddenly pulled a Fleet jersey back on such was the reception he was receiving.

[Stonebridge Red]

Why would Liam leave though? He will do a Keegan at Fulham and take us all the way to the Premiership in Five Seasons. Yes, I know Fulham started in the 4th division but you know what I mean.

[Linfield Keeper]

The question of what happens if MyFC falls is an interesting one and to the best of my knowledge it is not well defined. I have heard the 15,000 as the break mark for the "operator" (so 15,000 x 7.50pounds = 112,500 is how many pounds per year the operator feels they need to run the website?) but as MyFC still is getting new members, slowly but surely, and how many present members that won't renew is the big question, all this is up in the air until Feb. and hopefully the membership stays high enough that it never becomes a concern because the last thing our club needs is more funding issues and more chaos at the helm. Plus if nothing else MyFC has brought the Fleet quite a few new fans, all be it most are not local but still the team is a much bigger "blip on the radar" with MyFC involved so hopefully things work out in the long run for us all.

[Stonebridge Red]

Linfield Keeper, as you rightly say, it brings fans to the club and as you also mentioned , not ALL local, but to be a big club, you need a big fanbase, teams such as Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea etc have millions of fans all over the world, local support is very important of course, but ALL support is a good thing and that is One good thing that myfc has brought to our hometown club.

[Linfield Keeper]

Originally Posted By: Stonebridge Red

Linfield Keeper, as you rightly say, it brings fans to the club and as you also mentioned , not ALL local, but to be a big club, you need a big fanbase, teams such as Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea etc have millions of fans all over the world, local support is very important of course, but ALL support is a good thing and that is One good thing that myfc has brought to our hometown club.

Very true but in the short and long term we need to increase our local fan base to keep the seats full and the atmosphere at Stonebridge Road in top form for the matches.

[MrMushroom]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Irrespective of what happens in February - do you seriously think the members of MyFC will sell the club back to the previous owners. There are significantly better options available.

You cant SELL what you dont OWN...

If it does all go "titz-up" aren't you compelled to GIVE the club to another trust?

Yes, that is my reading of the Trust Rules.

The question is: Who will control that other Trust? Who will be the beneficiaries? In the worst case control of the club could be passed to a single person or a small group who have gained control, without having to pay a single penny, just by setting up another Trust.

Let's hope MYFC succeeds.

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: MrMushroom

The question is: Who will control that other Trust?

As LK said above - the 15,000 figure is a figure that clicks in the right of the 'operator' to withdraw services for the website and automatically prompts a vote of the membership on the future of the club. But the membership can decide to continue in ownership if the vote goes that way.

Originally Posted By: MrMushroom

Who will be the beneficiaries?

If it was decided to sell the club then it would be sold as a going concern and the membership would make a decision on which charity would receive the money. No member of MyFC (including the operator) can receive any of this money. It is possible that the previous owners have first option to buy it back - but I haven't seen anything to confirm this. Either way that would only happen if the membership voted to sell the club.

Originally Posted By: MrMushroom

In the worst case control of the club could be passed to a single person or a small group who have gained control, without having to pay a single penny, just by setting up another Trust.

But this would also have to be supported by a vote of the MyFC membership. I doubt very much that any of the pre-takeover fans who are now members would vote for such a situation and I also doubt that many (or even any) of the non-local MyFC members would vote for it either.

Originally Posted By: MrMushroom

Let's hope MYFC succeeds.

Absolutely - and, as I said above, there are different options if there is a collapse in membership.

For example - the club has ongoing losses of 300,000 a year at the moment - if 3,000 members agreed to a membership subscription of

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Along with this there will still be a hard core of the UK members who will continue to go to games (20-200 and hopefully increasing)

Fixed that for ya Dom...

And loved the comparison to Liverpool!!

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

And loved the comparison to Liverpool!!

Put it in especially for you Pat

[PatMan]

And there was me thinking it more to do with one of the MyFC reasons for picking Fleet...

"Has the potential to reach the Premier League"

 

Amazing how that bit has been forgotten, along with the "Nil, or manageable, debt", while you insist that 'pick the team' must stay...

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Along with this there will still be a hard core of the UK members who will continue to go to games (20-200 and hopefully increasing)

Fixed that for ya Dom...

Average attendance for 9 league games pre-takeover was 986

Average Attendance for 14 league games post-takeover was 1,156

Increase = 170

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Originally Posted By: MrMushroom

The question is: Who will control that other Trust?

As LK said above - the 15,000 figure is a figure that clicks in the right of the 'operator' to withdraw services for the website and automatically prompts a vote of the membership on the future of the club.

If the operator withdraws the services for the website how will this vote take place without the website?

Originally Posted By: doheochai

But the membership can decide to continue in ownership if the vote goes that way.

The operator is the only one who holds details of the membership, might make it a bit tricky to continue in ownership if the operator won't let the members know who is or isn't a member or how members can contact each other.

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

"Has the potential to reach the Premier League"

Anyone who thought that any club MyFC could afford to buy would get into the Premiership under present conditions would have been a little on the silly side.

Originally Posted By: PatMan

Amazing how that bit has been forgotten, along with the "Nil, or manageable, debt", while you insist that 'pick the team' must stay...

Pat, I don't and never have wanted to PTT and would prefer if it wasn't necessary (and I have said this consistantly). The problem is that if PTT isn't implemented in a fashion that allows members of MyFC to pick the team then MyFC could lose a lot of members. This could have a serious knock-on affect financially.

My approach would be to implement it in full - I suspect that only a small percentage of members will actually PTT and it would create concrete grounds to move to drop it completely while at the same time minimising the arguments of the PTT hardliners. Now it is possible that the PTT hardliners are already gone, in which case it won't make any difference.

But I am of the opinion that the current solution offered by the 'operator' is the worst of both worlds. It is an effort to please everyone - but will not satisfy anyone.

The 'operator' should either implement it without the current mish-mash offering or else bite the bullet - go for a vote to scrap it completely, deal with the consequences and let's get on with the job of consolidating what would be left of the membership before next February.

At this point in time, given all the messing about that has happened over PTT, I think the second option would be the best and this is the route MyFC should go now.

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Originally Posted By: PatMan

"Has the potential to reach the Premier League"

Anyone who thought that any club MyFC could afford to buy would get into the Premiership under present conditions would have been a little on the silly side.

Anyone who thought that any club MyFC could afford to buy would let the internet membership really pick the team would have been a little on the silly side.

You can't just pick and choose which items you like and which you don't...