There will be a "Let Liam pick the team" Button

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted By: Linfield Keeper

we likewise scout our opponents and know them going into the matches so this is just a fact that our starting lineups and players will, more or less, be publicly known, MyFC or not.

Yes we do Willy, or rather Liam and his team do but funnily enough none of the opposition managers voluntarily hand over an in depth dossier on which of their players are or aren't fit/in form/slight niggle on left ankle (one good tackle should finish him) or on what tactics they intend to employ against us or what tactics they are expecting us to use against them..a pity really because if they did we would have a tremendous advantage over them.

[Linfield Keeper]

Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz

You are right in one aspect Linfield, it was a long post.
However, most regular fans do not see the issue as at all complicated. PTT will not work, for the following reasons:
1. There is no evidence that the Wisdom of the Crowd is any more expert than an experienced professional doing the same (and already successfully) job.
2. Liam will be a least reticent giving out in depth detail of who is in form, who is carrying a knock, has a cold, had an arguement with wife/girlfreind/boyfreind and who isn't mentally right to play.
3. A player reporting injured or ill on matchday morning will give Liam no chance to contact the Crowd to elect a replacement, particularly if 2 versatile players were due to be on the bench, and either could be a replacement.
4. Public knowledge of the team will give an instant advantage to opposition - Liam has already proved he does his homework on the opposition, hence his eyeraising (and inspired) choice of Hawkins over the younger, quicker and fitter Ricketts. LD KNEW experience would count against a talented attack.
5.
Why does your 75p per game give you more rights than my

[Linfield Keeper]

Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1

I'm more worried this will cause a lot of bickering and bad feeling, then Liam will get fed up and quit!

A honest fear AFF, not something any of us want to see happen, hopefully this can be sorted to the betterment of us all, that's why I am openly presenting my ideas to see what sort of feedback is out here to make things work for the best of our club.

[Linfield Keeper]

Originally Posted By: Slartibartfast

Originally Posted By: Linfield Keeper

we likewise scout our opponents and know them going into the matches so this is just a fact that our starting lineups and players will, more or less, be publicly known, MyFC or not.

Yes we do Willy, or rather Liam and his team do but funnily enough none of the opposition managers voluntarily hand over an in depth dossier on which of their players are or aren't fit/in form/slight niggle on left ankle (one good tackle should finish him) or on what tactics they intend to employ against us or what tactics they are expecting us to use against them..a pity really because if they did we would have a tremendous advantage over them.

True DN but the way our PTT selector is already set up shows who is deemed fit and who isn't so if we are overly concerned about this then we will have to scrap what is already in place. Plus I don't believe we need exact detail about fitness, in fact I discourage too much detail as it is a private issue for the player, doctors and coaches, just the knowledge that someone might not be up to it for a particular match should suffice and we already have that to some degree.

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz

from the look of things, Will brooks, John Moules and David Davis all now appear to have at least some reservations

As far as I am aware John Moules was not a member of MyFC up until his appointment as Chairman - so I suspect PTT was never an issue for him.

It is obvious that Will Brooks has backed away from dealing with the issue - and I agree with Linfield that the current idea is basically the worst of both worlds.

David can speak for himself - but I have not seen anything from him to suggest that he doesn't support PTT.

It would be much better to scrap the PTT completely rather than continue with the current idea and then use the next six months to try and consolidate those who wish to remain in ownership of the club before the renewals in February.

In my opinion a far better solution is to implement PTT with Daish having a limited flexibility to change the team and see how it progresses. It could work and it may not work. Either way we will know within a few games if anything more than a couple of hundred really want to do this or if it is working or not. Then a decision can be made whether to scrap it or not. I would suggest that this would minimise the impact of membership renewals while also limiting the impact on the club.

[Chopper TN]

I went ahead and voted for Liam to PTT. He has proven to be astute judge of talent and has made good decisions in his selections especially with the limitations placed upon him with what he has had available to him. Keep Liam happy and with bullets in his gun (players available in other words), EUFC will do well on the pitch.

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Chopper TN

Keep Liam happy and with bullets in his gun (players available in other words), EUFC will do well on the pitch.

Just a quick question - is anyone here under the illusion that Liam Daish intends to stay at EUFC in the medium to long term?

Daish is personally ambitious - just like every other professional manager - nothing wrong with that - but when he is offered a better job higher up the league pyramid I would be astonished if he didn't take it, irrespective of PTT. Indeed the only prospect of him remaining with the club is if the membership of MyFC grows to such an extent that it can provide millions in funding every year, attendances increase by 10X or 20X - or both, and the club makes consistant progress up the league pyramid .

[Chopper TN]

I think that if EUFC doesn't move up to League 2 either this season or next, Liam will move on to greener pastures for the reasons you gave above, doheochai, and I wouldn't blame him.

[PatMan]

What makes you so sure that Liam's ambition ie; League Football cannot be realised at EUFC?

 

The past 2 seasons have shown the Fleet to be close to play-offs, last season hindered by the excellent FA Trophy run, the previous season was down to the fact that the team depended on Charlie MacDonald for so many goals.

 

With an improved squad, there is no saying what this season will bring. Liam might be offered a position, but you can almost guarantee that 'pick the team' being forced upon him would make him take it.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Welcome back Haw Haw, I have really missed your Bullsh!t!

Liam will I presume, stay with the Fleet as long as he is happy! Of course if he get's a better offer, being a realist(Look that up in the Dictionary), if he gets a better offer, he may leave.

From your 100% of PTT and Liam being God, you now seem to be trying to put a wedge into both deals.

You do more U-Turns than a French Tourist in Kent realising that nobody likes them...........Maybe you should take note!

[PatMan]

So, if Doheochai gets his expected result and Liam leaves...

 

VACANCY

Blue Square Premiership team are looking for a "First Team Coach"

 

Ebbsfleet United, wish to appoint a dynamic person to the role of First Team coach. Your role will include briefing 30,000 members on the fitness, availability and general aptitude of all your players on a twice weekly basis. You will also be expected to provide pre- and post match analysis to the members. You will need to be contactable 24 hours a day, 7 days a week - the members are quick to see this as a lack of commitment if this is not the case.

 

Other roles can, and will be added once the members have decided what they are likely to be.

 

Oh, except team selection - you can leave that to the members.

 

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

So, if Doheochai gets his expected result and Liam leaves...

VACANCY
Blue Square Premiership team are looking for a "First Team Coach"

Ebbsfleet United, wish to appoint a dynamic person to the role of First Team coach. Your role will include briefing 30,000 members on the fitness, availability and general aptitude of all your players on a twice weekly basis. You will also be expected to provide pre- and post match analysis to the members. You will need to be contactable 24 hours a day, 7 days a week - the members are quick to see this as a lack of commitment if this is not the case.

Other roles can, and will be added once the members have decided what they are likely to be.

Oh, except team selection - you can leave that to the members.

Addendum: Notify all our team selections and (obvious)tactics to our Opposition in advance of forthcoming matches! This is made possible by members, who are also fans of the opposing team, who have a vote!

[Linfield Keeper]

It is obvious that many of you fell the whole PTT issue is hopeless and never should be put into practice. If this is the case then why did the parties involved in accepting the sale to MyFC ever accept in the first place? Didn't everyone involved think things through before signing on the dotted lines? Maybe Will and his group never specified how things would work but if that is the case why would you sell your football club to somebody with some vague non-descript idea? The whole thing will never please everybody, obviously, but somewhere is a happy ground that will continue to attract new members and will not destroy the football in the process so where is that? or do you not care and simply want MyFC to go away? Just looking for answers if anybody has them, it is obvious that many of you don't approve of my suggestions so far but I am open to change if some constructive suggestions are made.

[BustaGut]

Originally Posted By: Linfield Keeper

It is obvious that many of you fell the whole PTT issue is hopeless and never should be put into practice. If this is the case then why did the parties involved in accepting the sale to MyFC ever accept in the first place? Didn't everyone involved think things through before signing on the dotted lines? Maybe Will and his group never specified how things would work but if that is the case why would you sell your football club to somebody with some vague non-descript idea? The whole thing will never please everybody, obviously, but somewhere is a happy ground that will continue to attract new members and will not destroy the football in the process so where is that? or do you not care and simply want MyFC to go away? Just looking for answers if anybody has them, it is obvious that many of you don't approve of my suggestions so far but I am open to change if some constructive suggestions are made.

Supporters accept what? do you honestly think the supporters were given a choice in the matter? the only choice Ebbsfleet supporter received was like it or lump it. Just like the Name change.

[Linfield Keeper]

Originally Posted By: BustaGut

Originally Posted By: Linfield Keeper

It is obvious that many of you fell the whole PTT issue is hopeless and never should be put into practice. If this is the case then why did the parties involved in accepting the sale to MyFC ever accept in the first place? Didn't everyone involved think things through before signing on the dotted lines? Maybe Will and his group never specified how things would work but if that is the case why would you sell your football club to somebody with some vague non-descript idea? The whole thing will never please everybody, obviously, but somewhere is a happy ground that will continue to attract new members and will not destroy the football in the process so where is that? or do you not care and simply want MyFC to go away? Just looking for answers if anybody has them, it is obvious that many of you don't approve of my suggestions so far but I am open to change if some constructive suggestions are made.

Supporters accept what? do you honestly think the supporters were given a choice in the matter? the only choice Ebbsfleet supporter received was like it or lump it. Just like the Name change.

No I never said the supporters accepted it but I was trying to give the past owners benefit of the doubt that they thought it through with the best interests of all parties, including the supporters (after all where would a team be without its fans?), in mind before they made the commitment. And I now continue to answer things on this because I want to see if something can be worked out for the best, it would be much easier to simply let it lie and ignore the issue than to come back here and continue to see my posts responded to in a less than happy way. I think we all want the same thing when it comes right down to it, the best for our club.

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: Linfield Keeper

it would be much easier to simply let it lie and ignore the issue than to come back here and continue to see my posts responded to in a less than happy way.

LK, by all most post your views - life here would be very boring if we all agreed!
Without hearing both sides views, how can a decent compromise be reached?

[Linfield Keeper]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

Originally Posted By: Linfield Keeper

it would be much easier to simply let it lie and ignore the issue than to come back here and continue to see my posts responded to in a less than happy way.

LK, by all most post your views - life here would be very boring if we all agreed!
Without hearing both sides views, how can a decent compromise be reached?

PatMan thanks for this, you seem to understand exactly where my posts on this thread are coming from and it is nice to know that you all can realize I'm not trying to "cause any trouble" or what have you. I simply want the best long term solution for our club. In fact, prior to this thread existing I never intended to get into any PTT discussions on this forum as I know it is more for talking about how the team and players are doing and the such but since it has been brought up and the discussion has had quite a few good points made I thought I'd "come clean" with my thoughts and see if something can be worked out with the minds of the fans.

[reevsie]

Originally Posted By: Linfield Keeper

No I never said the supporters accepted it but I was trying to give the past owners benefit of the doubt that they thought it through with the best interests of all parties, including the supporters (after all where would a team be without its fans?), in mind before they made the commitment.

I really dont think the past owners thought of anyone but themselves during the whole sale process. I seem to remember the only one who even attempted to address our concerns was Brian. The fans were given no consideration at all, hence the number of them who now hold worthless shares after investing to save the club in previous years.

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: Linfield Keeper

I never intended to get into any PTT discussions on this forum as I know it is more for talking about how the team and players are doing

Heh heh - stick around and enjoy LK - once in a while such a rare thread might appear, but in between those, there's always plenty of good fun to be had...

Don't take it too seriously, and NEVER take it personally, and you will fit in fine!

[Prisma]

Originally Posted By: Linfield Keeper

It is obvious that many of you fell the whole PTT issue is hopeless and never should be put into practice. If this is the case then why did the parties involved in accepting the sale to MyFC ever accept in the first place? Didn't everyone involved think things through before signing on the dotted lines? Maybe Will and his group never specified how things would work but if that is the case why would you sell your football club to somebody with some vague non-descript idea? The whole thing will never please everybody, obviously, but somewhere is a happy ground that will continue to attract new members and will not destroy the football in the process so where is that? or do you not care and simply want MyFC to go away? Just looking for answers if anybody has them, it is obvious that many of you don't approve of my suggestions so far but I am open to change if some constructive suggestions are made.

easy really the then owners get their money back if myfc fails in feb the old owners step back in as heros