WELL DONE EBBSFLEET UNITED.

[Hempstead Gaz]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars

The more we bang on about not wanting to PTT then the more they'll drop the idea.

Tonight one of their members was on the radio saying the PTT idea is what attracted them but now he's losing interest in the idea and only has an interest in the club. That comment alone gave me such a good feeling.

Harry - you should know better than suggesting that scrapping PTT is in the best interests of the club at the moment. A lot of people that joined MyFC didn't do it to PTT and some others have changed their mind. If PTT was scrapped and MyFC only lost a couple of hundred members then there would be no problem. But if PTT is scrapped and we lose thousands of members as a result then the club will suffer because we will not have the funds at this point in time to maintain the current level of expenditure.

I also think this comment

Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars

Will Brooks never wanted to pick the team, can't say too much on here.

is also inappropriate - it does nothing more than provide ammunition to those on MyFC who are intent on attacking Will Brooks because PTT isn't already a reality. And in my conversations with Will Brooks he never once suggested that this was his view.

Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars

We need people like you to sign up Wayne, make them see that the ptt idea is stupid.

Finally - just because it doesn't happen elsewhere, does not mean it's a stupid idea. There are many clubs in many sports that pick their team by committee (which is in effect what MyFC is proposing). The reason why football clubs actually moved many years ago, to the team being picked by a single manager was to allow an individual owner exercise more control over the club and the team. Signing up one person and driving away ten is not an approach that is in the best interests of the club at this point in time.

Who the bl**dy hell do you think you are Wah, Wah, coming onto our free and independant forum telling us (even Harry) what we should and shouldn't be posting. Go back to your secret masonic like little forum, where you can be Will's mouthpiece to your hearts content. You can act like Mugabe there, but bug off with thoughts like that here!!
Carry on posting Paul.

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars

Dom, if we can get the numbers up to an average to 1,600 then we'll be able to tell the members that PTT is not going to happen.

6 months mate, 6 months.

Funnily enough it was 6 months ago that all the farce started.

But that's the point Harry, what authority do you or me or anyone else have to tell the members it's not going to happen. I didn't join MyFC to PTT and it wouldn't bother me if it didn't happen, but I am in favour of it happening as this was the basis on which MyFC is established and, personally, I wouldn't be surprised if it worked well. Manoeuvring to prevent it is not a productive tactic. It would be much better to implement it and see what happens. If it doesn't work then people will realsie the need to change and will support it.

As for 1,600 at home games - it would be an improvement but would not be sufficient to keep the club afloat without income from MyFC.

Originally Posted By: The Doctor

On the same note Dom, were you there on Saturday and has the trust received its cheque from UU yet?

Yep - and it's up to ye to chase down Ugly Urchin

Originally Posted By: Jeff

I had my camera at the after show party looking for you.

Jeff you were far too busy playing football to take any photos. Plenty of other people did and I was the only one with an Irish flag at the party (the one with Opinal on it).

Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars

I would your about 5 foot 11 inches? Bald head, by choice, and clean shaven. You're quite chubby and have a penchant for jeans an t-shirt, especially when at football. Suits were never meant for football. Would you go to a football match in a suit even if you were invited as a guest?

Actually 5ft 9in with short greying hair, a little chubby and wore a red t-shirt and dark trousers. Hate suits and never wear them.

Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz

Who the bl**dy hell do you think you are Wah, Wah, coming onto our free and independant forum telling us (even Harry) what we should and shouldn't be posting. Go back to your secret masonic like little forum, where you can be Will's mouthpiece to your hearts content. You can act like Mugabe there, but bug off with thoughts like that here!!

Sorry for upsetting your sensibilities

[Harry J Allstars]

Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz

Carry on posting Paul.

Awww, cheers Gary. Who'd have thought you'd say that to me.

All joking aside though, thanks.

Originally Posted By: doheochai

But that's the point Harry, what authority do you or me or anyone else have to tell the members it's not going to happen. I didn't join MyFC to PTT and it wouldn't bother me if it didn't happen, but I am in favour of it happening as this was the basis on which MyFC is established and, personally, I wouldn't be surprised if it worked well. Manoeuvring to prevent it is not a productive tactic. It would be much better to implement it and see what happens. If it doesn't work then people will realsie the need to change and will support it.

It's called an opinion mate. At this stage we don't know which way the whole thing will go, it could go either way and MyFC may never pick the team.

Originally Posted By: doheochai

As for 1,600 at home games - it would be an improvement but would not be sufficient to keep the club afloat without income from MyFC.

WRONG!!

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Actually 5ft 9in with short greying hair, a little chubby and wore a red t-shirt and dark trousers. Hate suits and never wear them.

Booooo........ I love suits, you've gotta love a good suit. Look at Dr Who, saves the world wearing a suit.

[Hempstead Gaz]

I'm glad that

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Stu M

I'm quite prepared to be proved wrong... but I've never heard of this before.

Up until the mid-1960s the Irish international team was selected by a committee.

In Gaelic football and hurling county teams are still selected by a committee elected by delegates from local clubs. The committee regularly receives input from club members and have to report back to delegate meetings on their selections.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Originally Posted By: Stu M

I'm quite prepared to be proved wrong... but I've never heard of this before.

Up until the mid-1960s the Irish international team was selected by a committee.
In Gaelic football and hurling county teams are still selected by a committee elected by delegates from local clubs. The committee regularly receives input from club members and have to report back to delegate meetings on their selections.

....And what did they ever win?

[David Holden]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

The reason why football clubs actually moved many years ago, to the team being picked by a single manager was to allow an individual owner exercise more control over the club and the team.

Originally Posted By: Stu M

I'm quite prepared to be proved wrong... but I've never heard of this before

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Up until the mid-1960s the Irish international team was selected by a committee.

So who was this individual owner who took over the Irish team?

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz

There is NO WAY MYFC would have selected the same side.

Actually - I suspect that it is exactly the same side that the members of MyFC did on the voluntary team selector. The only two positions that would have been an issue were Ricketts or Hawkins and Chukki or Moore.

Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars

At this stage we don't know which way the whole thing will go, it could go either way and MyFC may never pick the team.

PTT will happen by the start of next season. No matter how much wishful thinking you have will not prevent it.

Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars

Originally Posted By: doheochai

As for 1,600 at home games - it would be an improvement but would not be sufficient to keep the club afloat without income from MyFC.

WRONG!!

1,600 home attendance is 433 more than the average home attendance since November. This is worth about

[Stu M]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Up until the mid-1960s the Irish international team was selected by a committee.

In Gaelic football and hurling county teams are still selected by a committee elected by delegates from local clubs. The committee regularly receives input from club members and have to report back to delegate meetings on their selections.

But that's one specific example (and in one specific country) - if we're talking the 'norm', the well-trodden path, team selection by committee, certainly in English football, was not the way of things.

[Jeff]

I had no idea that you were even there but you obviously checked me out. :-)

 

You should have come over and said hello.

[Harry J Allstars]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Up until the mid-1960s the Irish international team was selected by a committee.

I'll say it...

I take it this committee had actually seen the team play?

[Harry J Allstars]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

1,600 home attendance is 433 more than the average home attendance since November. This is worth about

[PatMan]

Simple answer to this "Pick The Team" bollix.

 

When the majority of MyFC members vote for it, then it should happen in the format they already agreed.

 

 

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Jeff

You should have come over and said hello.

Someone (think it might have been Paul) pointed you out to me when you were walking up to play - didn't see you after that. Anyway I am planning on spending a couple of weeks in Kent at the end of August - so i'm sure we'll run into one another then.

[Hempstead Gaz]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz

There is NO WAY MYFC would have selected the same side.

Actually - I suspect that it is exactly the same side that the members of MyFC did on the voluntary team selector. The only two positions that would have been an issue were Ricketts or Hawkins and Chukki or Moore.

Some strange logic there Wah, Wah. Exactly the same side apart from 20% of the outfield players.
Glad MYFC didn't pick the final side!!

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars

Well then I'll be asking Roly Edwards about what he meant. Gotta dig out the programme he said it in as well.

Harry - the accounts will be out in the next few days (hopefully). Do you really expect them to make pleasant reading? I don't (and remember it was claimed that Halifax had a debt of

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars

I'll say it...

I take it this committee had actually seen the team play?

Included the team captain Johnny Carey.

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Stu M

But that's one specific example (and in one specific country) - if we're talking the 'norm', the well-trodden path, team selection by committee, certainly in English football, was not the way of things.

Right throughout the 19th century players picked themselves as kids playing the school yeard still do. Some of the early teams emerged from public schools but most emerged from works teams in factories, shipyards, railways yards etc. Man Utd were an example. Formed in 1878 as the works team of the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway in the Newton Heath depot. The club (including the team) was run by committee until 1892 when AH Albut was appointed full-time secretary. His job was to run the club and coach the team with continuing input from the club committee. In 1902 the club nearly went bankrupt and was saved when taken over by JH Davies who was managing director of Manchester Breweries. Davies appointed J Earnest Mangnell as club secretary in 1903 and began the process of one man having direct control over the team but it wasn't until 1914 that Jack Robson was appointed 'manager'.

[Hirsty]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ !

[Hempstead Gaz]

It's like trying to teach a goldfish how to read, Hirsty. He just doesn't get it. Never will.

It is the ONE weakness of the MYFC thing, and it is the single factor that divides "them and us" and stops us being "we".Take out the pick the team crap, and we really do have a genuine chance to get into the play offs.