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[The Town Crier]

 

 

Barry, this isn't necessarily my opinion, for obvious reasons I will keep my thoughts to myself. But I would put this counter argument for the purpose of debate.

 

 

Although the loss of Kerras is a shock to many, I doubt those many were happy with the number of goals we conceded last season.

 

Its a fair point you make re the number of bookings Paul Shave gained, but he had little to do with the number of goals we conceded.

 

Players aside, I would prefer to win the tight [****!!****] defense trophy next season over the fair play award.

 

 

 

[Brightside Bloke]

Originally Posted By: Barry_T

In case you hadn't guessed, I'm not impressed!

Ya Sussed that one out Barry_T

I'm not sure if Shave was on a long Contract or if that is the reason behind the JOINT managers decision. But I agree 100% Why let a Good, Fit, Able, Team Player go and hold on to someone 80% less able.
I suppose that's the joy of managing (F@cked if I'd want to call those shot's)
I also agree about the 10-man team scenario it could well happen more than once going on past events.

And then it's back to last season (the one just gone) FA Cup run, Out of relegation, up to the playoffs (if Briefly) and I for one was quite happy to end up where we did all thing considered.

My opinion as a NEW BLUE (for what it

[Brightside Bloke]

Before I get hammered by people YES I am aware that the above reply referred to a few different threads, but I was on a roll.

Cheers

 

 

[Barry_T]

TC: I don't actually agree with your statement of "Its a fair point you make re the number of bookings Paul Shave gained, but he had little to do with the number of goals we conceded."

On of my particular issues with Shave is his inability to keep the ball.

If we have the ball, we cannot let in a goal.

Many of the goals conceded during the season were because we threw away posession in midfield.

I would wager that there were far more goals that came from our midfield giving away posession than there were from the opposition's right wing getting past Kerrers.

OK, its an unrealistic comparison between the two players, but if I'd have written out a list of players to be offered contracts at the end of the season, Kerrers would have been very high and I personally would have had Shave at the bottom.

 

"I would prefer to win the tight [****!!****] defense trophy next season over the fair play award."

I'd rather win the league than either of those, and I don't see Shave as being able to help us in that goal.

 

[jl]

Firstly, I think Shave has been retained, which is different to being offered a contract. If you look at the other personnel we have in central midfield (Hunter, Dormer and Game - who knows there may be others)the probability is that Shave will be a squad player and is probably being paid accordingly. If you recall arguably the biggest reason for our catastrophic period last season was a lack of squad players who could come in and do a job for a game or two. If this time next season Shavesy has started 40 league games, then that to my mind would be a different issue.

 

Kerrers going was always going to be controversial as he is a popular player with the supporters, but the management felt his lack of versatility was a problem to us. Let's wait and see who comes in.

 

I think too many people are looking at the retained list without remembering that there will most likely be four or five decent additions. Patience is a virtue.

[Barry_T]

Fair points, jl, and I stand corrected on the issue of being offered a contract.

 

I look forward to the additions and hope that they bolster the squad and we are looking towards promotion this year.

 

There's still a long way to go for anyone to convince me that these two decisions are correct ones.

However, I have voiced my opinion and look forward to August to cheer on the team again.

 

On that note, when are the fixtures out?

I've had enough of the wife and kids on a Saturday afternoon already!!

 

 

[The Town Crier]

 

 

Fair enough Barry, in the latter stages of the season you may well be right, but we shipped a lot of goals pre Paul Shave and he didn't play every game. I'm just balancing the argument, not agreeing or disagreeing.

 

I like it that we have our favorites, and not so favorites, thats all part of supporting a team.

Nothing worse, imo, than coming back each new season and seeing a whole new squad of players

[Blue fan]

Barry-T, i am going to get shot down here, i agree about Danny i was very supprised, however in Shaveys defence he seems to be a type of player who will let you know whos who on the pitch unafraid to have a go i have seen last season players backing off, getting very rattled and losing the plot, he is a loose cannon and could cost us future games who knows? but i think we do need someone with bottle and hopefully he can channel this in his game of football,he can be a bad lad at times but the Roy keanes, Stewart Peaces,julian Dicks of this world did bring success but in many different ways all bad boys at times,but they had bottle, i am just using them as examples BF

[Simon BTFC]

Originally Posted By: The Town Crier

Barry, this isn't necessarily my opinion, for obvious reasons I will keep my thoughts to myself. But I would put this counter argument for the purpose of debate.


Although the loss of Kerras is a shock to many, I doubt those many were happy with the number of goals we conceded last season.

Its a fair point you make re the number of bookings Paul Shave gained, but he had little to do with the number of goals we conceded.

Players aside, I would prefer to win the tight [****!!****] defense trophy next season over the fair play award.

I agree with the "counter argument" there - defensively we had too many horror shows, and far too often conceded goals due to individual errors. For me the back 5 needs considerable strengthening, more than any other area of the squad, and I would go for a minimum 3 new faces in that area. In my opinion Kerrigan had his worst season for us, and it was no surprise to see him go.

[Brightside Bloke]

BF! Consider yourself shot down.

 

I agree every club should have a bad boy in the squad, And Shave will step up to the mark more than most. But i just wish he did not let himself get caught almost every time.

[GazzaBTFC]

Does anyone remember East Thurrock away? Paul Shave won that game almost on his own. Tonbridge Angels at home. Against Staines at home, he played with more heart than the majority of the players on the pitch. Whilst these are isolated games, there can't be many players that have as less a talent as Barry T thinks he has that can influence even one game. I can understand he isn't everyones cup of tea, he does have his moments. . Yes, he isn't the most talented player and has off days here and there but so did BWG, if memory serves!!!

 

If PS stays after the pre season shake down, I would agree with jl that his capacity is as a squad player who can do a job, when required.

 

I would agree with TC's counter arguement. A tight arsed defence will help put us in a stronger position to build a winning side. To quote many well worn phrase..."Build from the back".

 

 

[Barry_T]

In response to all the above, I don't knock the fact that he plays with a bit of passion.

But the Keanes, Dicks and Pearces had ability to back that up with.

Gazza mentions the Staines game.

I can only really remember him starting off a completely unnecessary brawl late in the game after he made another very late challenge.

I'm not deliberately missing out your comments on ETU - I just wasn't there for that one I'm afraid

As for BWG, he had many off days, but he at least has something different to offer.

In the times I have seen Shave I haven't seen anything in his game that can't be done by someone else who doesn't carry the same liability.

 

I was also very surprised to see "Kerrigan had his worst season for us".

Can I just check that Kerrigan is that blond bloke that plays number 3??

 

[Simon BTFC]

Originally Posted By: Barry_T

I was also very surprised to see "Kerrigan had his worst season for us".
Can I just check that Kerrigan is that blond bloke that plays number 3??

That is correct. In my opinion he was not as consistent as previous seasons and made more mistakes (as did Blewitt to be fair) and that is why he has gone.

[Rick the Dick]

Originally Posted By: Barry_T

I was also very surprised to see "Kerrigan had his worst season for us".
Can I just check that Kerrigan is that blond bloke that plays number 3??

I'd missed Simons comment about Kerrers & would agree with Barry. I think Danny met his usual high standard this season. However, the argument for players who can excel in more than one position makes a lot of sense. So providing his replacement meets that criteria his departure will be justified.

I think the point that's been made about the mid-field not holding onto the ball, and consequently putting the defence under more pressure, is an interesting one. But is the 57 goals we conceded really the problem (H&R conceded 53 winning the league last season)?

We also scored less than the previous two seasons, so as a complete team we're "burning the candle at both ends". I believe we weren't good enough in all departments and to concentrate on the back four or five would be a mistake. We missed the "flair" and confidence instilling effect of a Whelpdale or Elder. Hopefully a fit & rejuvinated Flackie will fill that role.

[Simon BTFC]

Originally Posted By: Rick the Dick

Originally Posted By: Barry_T

I was also very surprised to see "Kerrigan had his worst season for us".
Can I just check that Kerrigan is that blond bloke that plays number 3??

I believe we weren't good enough in all departments and to concentrate on the back four or five would be a mistake. We missed the "flair" and confidence instilling effect of a Whelpdale or Elder. Hopefully a fit & rejuvinated Flackie will fill that role.

Yes, but the back four was the area where we were least disrupted by injuries so it is no surprise to see it being the area with the "big name" departures. In comparison, amongst our attackers, Boot, Burbs and Flack all missed a lot of games as did Hodgie which, to my mind, goes a long way to explaining the shortfall in goalscoring.

[GazzaBTFC]

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[norbert]

Barry

I Dont come on here much but you seem to bring out the reaction in me so here goes:

Paul Shave doesnt play left back, he can play, in goal, centre half, mid field, and up front so as he reads this forum he probably feels a bit miffed to see you think he should go before Kerres. Such a shame you missed the game at ETU specially as they had walloped us at home and even more so

as we were two down when Shave single handedly brought us back into the game with his two well taken goals and the "Penalty"

enabling us to win 4-2 and put us back on track. You seem to judge him on his passing skills of which I dont think he was brougt here for What is Danny like at midfield.

We finished tenth, the table doesnt normally lie. We had Injuries but cant paper over our short comings so changes had to be made lets hope the new operatives coming in can give us all optimism for the new season

[The Town Crier]

 

 

I think the "blond bloke" comment was sarcasm Gazz.

 

Barry is entitled to hold and voice his opinion just like everyone else and I know he's not alone in his support for DK.

Barry's comments make for good debate, although personally I don't get the point in comparing Danny and Paul,

 

Danny has been a fine and loyal servant to Billericay, and I doubt there is a supporter, team mate, or official, who doesn't thank him for his service and wish him well for the future, but we all know, and understand, that players come and go.

 

On the other thread we're discussing progression with the hope of promotion, we need new players to fulfill that ambition.

 

Once the season starts I would prefer it if individual players are not singled out for public criticism, its hard enough competing against the opposition players and supporters without your own fans digging you out on a public forum. But as its close season and Paul has an opportunity to come back and prove his knockers wrong I guess its ok?

 

Can I just add in defense of Paul that he was brought into our squad to do a job, when you are at the bottom of the league you have to battle, if you don't battle and grind out results then you are likely to remain where you are, imo, Pauls contribution was a significant factor in our rise off the bottom.

 

jl has already pointed out that if we learn t anything from last year its that we need a bigger squad, and squad players are paid accordingly.

We start next season with a clean slate so the demands on Paul will be different, he may be able to fulfill the new role, or he may not, but lets give him a chance.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bitch]

I lurve Paul Shave

[GazzaBTFC]

Well, I understood that after re reading Barry's comment. Problem was I scanned it.

 

Everybody has a chance to join the discussion and I would agree with you TC, that players should not be singled out. "Honest" though Barry is behind a keyboard, I wonder if he is as "honest" with his opinions if discussing Paul (or any other player he takes a dislike) with the player within earshot. Or, come down on a Thursday night and discuss his point over a pint?

 

But I would disagree with you that he has made a point worthy of discussion. IMO he has singled out a player and slagged him off. No discussion there. People have made the point of defending Paul or at the very least giving a reason (in their opinions) why Jason and Grant have retained him have turned it into a discussion...for example, jl's post is again well written and considered. Unfortunately, Barry disagrees with the decision to retain PS and launched into a post that wasn't, IMO considered.

 

I wonder if Barry realised that some of the time PS was playing, he was playing out of position as a striker? Or perhaps he wasn't there or just can't recall. Staines away is one example of that. There are others, when we were struggling to put out a front line. Fine, I would admit he isn't a BWG or a Whelpdale but J & G (is that a mke of gin?) have retianed him, more than likely to bolster the squad for next season.