Trust money

[David Holden]

That's muddied the waters nicely Robert.

 

Certainly as the major shareholder MyFC can put it's suggestions to the Club's board of Directors and expect them to take notice.

 

However what is being discussed here is money raised by the trust before the takeover happened in February.

 

All of the the monies raised from the sale of merchandise when MyFc was first around was sold under the arrangements that were made with the then major shareholders and Directors, and regardless of what MyFc want to do in the future that money belongs to the trust and it is for the trust and the trust alone to decide how it is used.

 

If the membership of MYfc wants to alienate the trust members, then it does so at it's peril. Without the work done by these people with any form of remuneration the matchday running of the club will grind to a halt.

 

Don't forget that the club is still losing

[rsheard]

David, I don't disagree with you at all. I agree that what's happened in the past isn't what MyFC should be worried about. I'm only concerned with the arrangement in the future. And I have no problem with the Trust as the agent for the merchandise. It's completely logical to me. But I don't believe that it should be the Trust's decision when (or even if) those merchandise funds get turned over to the club. Is that not a reasonable concern to want settled?

[Riverview Supporter]

Seeing as we are talking about different ways Fleet Trust and MYFC work , can we not have a vote on wether to change the operator of MYFC as there are people questioning their costs and dont want to give a chunk of their

[David Holden]

Originally Posted By: rsheard

David, I don't disagree with you at all. I agree that what's happened in the past isn't what MyFC should be worried about. I'm only concerned with the arrangement in the future. And I have no problem with the Trust as the agent for the merchandise. It's completely logical to me. But I don't believe that it should be the Trust's decision when (or even if) those merchandise funds get turned over to the club. Is that not a reasonable concern to want settled?

Where the trust acted as the club's agent (i.e. the replica shirts) the funds were handed over on a reqular basis. For the remainder of the merchandise the trust bore all the risks and is therefore entitled to keep the money to use as it sees fit.

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: David Holden

Where the trust acted as the club's agent (i.e. the replica shirts) the funds were handed over on a reqular basis. For the remainder of the merchandise the trust bore all the risks and is therefore entitled to keep the money to use as it sees fit.

If this was the case with the Jako shirts then I have absolutely no problem with the Trust keeping it's money. The Trust is entitled to fundraise and use it's money as it sees fit.

Everyone ackowledges the outstanding work members of the Fleet Trust do day-in-day out at the club

Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz

The only fall out appears to be from some sectors of MYFC who want full details of the money that we (the proper fans) have contributed to the Trust coffers over the years.

Not the case actually - the only thing at issue is the expectation from some MyFc members that the profit from merchandise they purchased should go to the club as they expected.

Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz

The Trust (in my eyes) is for those fans who regularly attend the ground, and as such is nothing to do with MYFC.
What part of that do you not understand?

I fully support this and actually suggested that it would be inappropriate for non-local MyFC members to join the Fleet Trust for this very reason. Pre-takeover supporters are entitled to have an organisation who represent their interests.

Originally Posted By: Emily

FT members don't have a say on when or how MyFC spend their money, so why would you have a say on when the FT spends there's.

Actually some members of the Fleet Trust will have a very important say in how MyFc spends it's money, given the fact that they are on the board.

Originally Posted By: Emily

From what I've heard, the MyFC forum has done nothing but attack the board members who are also part of the Fleet Trust,

Not true - there has been some criticism of the work some of MyFC Board members particularly with regards to their engagement with the membership of MyFC who they were elected to represent. But there has been very little criticism (to my knowledge) of their role as member of the Fleet Trust or blame that their lack of engagement was because they were members of the Fleet Trust. In contrast to that members of the Fleet Trust on here regularly have a go at MyFC.

Originally Posted By: Emily

The club didn't give a thought to the Trust on Saturday when you stopped their presentation of trophies after the game.

An incident I know nothing about - but by all accounts was a [****!!****]-up all around. If the members have the Fleet Trust have an issue with this then I would suggest that they address it to the club officials or the MyFC Board.

Originally Posted By: Emily

So yes you are right Dom, both need to communicate and work towards the same goal, but maybe MyFC should lead the way instead of seemingly being intent on driving away the people that keep this club going.

A member of MyFC posted the comment at the start of this thread on the MyFC forum and it certainly raised questions. I tried to summarise these questions. No one was attempting to drive anyone away from anything. Is asking questions now the basis for accusing someone of trying to drive people away from the club? In truth this issue would have died a death had Chris Pilkington posted a comment on the MyFC forum outlining what the story was (given Jessica's personal circumstances at the moment I doubt if anyone would have expected her to respond).

Originally Posted By: Emily

If MyFC don't stop bickering over everything, and hounding people who are trying to help this club, you will lose them and everything they contribute.

I have seen no criticism of the Fleet Trust on the MyFC forum apart from some minor criticism on this issue. All of the members of the Board have come in for criticism over the past month for various reasons (the sole pre-takeover myFC member more than anyone else). This has mainly to do with the slow progress of a wide variety of issue. I was very critical of the Board this week. Not the individuals, but the decision by the board as a whole on how to conduct a vote which was our major [****!!****]-up of the week. With an internet membership of nearly 30,000 anyone in a position of responsibility gets criticised - you have to have a tough skin. By the way the person subjected to the harshest criticism on the MyFC forum, by a mile, is Will Brooks.

Originally Posted By: Emily

Maybe some consideration and respect for them should be MyFC's priority before you drag this club down!

Asking questions does not mean lack of consideration or respect. And consideration and respect works both ways. The MyFC ownership of EUFC is something new and something that has never been tried before. It will have teething problems and everyone involved whether it be a board member of MyFC or the Fleet Trust (or both), a fan who has been to every game for the last twenty years or the only MyFC member on the Falkland Islands, all have to work together to succeed. People on this form and members of the Fleet Trust constantly ask questions of MyFC and get quite agitated when they don't get what they feel are appropriate/complete answers. On this issue, members of MyFC have done nothing but the same.

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Originally Posted By: Hempstead Gaz

The Trust (in my eyes) is for those fans who regularly attend the ground, and as such is nothing to do with MYFC.
What part of that do you not understand?

I fully support this and actually suggested that it would be inappropriate for non-local MyFC members to join the Fleet Trust for this very reason. Pre-takeover supporters are entitled to have an organisation who represent their interests.

You don't get this at all do you Dom?

The Fleet Trust is there to support the club, it is genuinely about bringing football back to the fans. The true fans of the club...wherever they come from and whenever they discovered the Fleet.
Yorkfox and family, Jimbo66 and Rozlaw and anyone else from MyFC who turn up to support the team and in doing so have found that they have become Fleet fans have as much right to join the Fleet Trust as any of us.

[Harry J Allstars]

Dom.

 

The fact of the matter is MyFC seem to think the money that the Trust has is not going to the club. The thing is the money is there and the people on the board decide how to spend this money. These people on the board are voted on and they make the neccessary decisions on how to spend the money. The Members seem to be happy at the way the money is spent otherwise the board wouldn't get re-elected.

 

These are answers that you could get from the Trust if your were to ask.

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Slartibartfast

You don't get this at all do you Dom?

actually I get it far more than you think

Originally Posted By: Slartibartfast

The Fleet Trust is there to support the club, it is genuinely about bringing football back to the fans. The true fans of the club...wherever they come from and whenever they discovered the Fleet.

And did I say otherwise

Originally Posted By: Slartibartfast

Yorkfox and family, Jimbo66 and Rozlaw and anyone else from MyFC who turn up to support the team and in doing so have found that they have become Fleet fans have as much right to join the Fleet Trust as any of us.

And would there be a problem if some one wanted to join - who because of location or for some other reason couldn't make it to games? Can you only become a true Fleet fan by going to games?

My comments at the time (six months ago) on MyFC were made because some people were suggesting that MyFC members should join the Fleet Trust in large numbers and I doubt if the existing members of the Fleet Trust would have been happy to see new people turning up at meetings and voting on decisions even before the takeover was complete.

[kmj]

Your post just goes to show how little you know about the relationship between the Fleet Trust and G&NFC/EUFC. Shame you seem to be oblivious to the facts.

 

And I could have sworn it was whoever purports to represent MyFC who has singularly failed to respond to the Fleet Trust's questions and/or agree to meet that is in issue.

 

As for money from merchandise it is MyFC who have to clarify their position not vice versa.

 

As many of the robust posts during this thread have clearly stated in support of the independence of the Fleet Trust, any funds that we may have are not there to be plundered at will by MyFC. Your demanding tone on behalf of whoever primes you with these posts would quite frankly put Dick Turpin to shame.

 

Please only come back on this forum when you know the full background and facts.

 

 

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars

Dom.

The fact of the matter is MyFC seem to think the money that the Trust has is not going to the club.

No - some members who bought merchandise from the club shop expected the money to go to the club - they were told it would (don't know by who) - I have had quite a few messages from people making this point. This was my concern.

Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars

The thing is the money is there and the people on the board decide how to spend this money. These people on the board are voted on and they make the neccessary decisions on how to spend the money. The Members seem to be happy at the way the money is spent otherwise the board wouldn't get re-elected.

No problem with that - and no issue if the profits from the replica kits have been handed over.

Originally Posted By: Harry J Allstars

These are answers that you could get from the Trust if your were to ask.

Did ask - got no answer (so far)

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: kmj

Your post just goes to show how little you know about the relationship between the Fleet Trust and G&NFC/EUFC. Shame you seem to be oblivious to the facts.

Never claimed to know all the facts about the relationship - The Fleet Trust website doesn't have a lot of information and clearly membership of the Fleet Trust is required to get a lot of it.

Originally Posted By: kmj

And I could have sworn it was whoever purports to represent MyFC

I will say this for one last time - I do not post on here representing MyFC - I am a member of MyFC like many others on here and I am one of the moderators on the forum - with one of the moderators on this forum who is also a moderator on MyFC.

Originally Posted By: kmj

who has singularly failed to respond to the Fleet Trust's questions and/or agree to meet that is in issue.

I have answered every question posed on this forum about MyFC to the best of my ability - the fact that some people refuse to see the wood from the trees is not my fault.

Originally Posted By: kmj

As for money from merchandise it is MyFC who have to clarify their position not vice versa.

You will most definitely have to explain this one

Originally Posted By: kmj

As many of the robust posts during this thread have clearly stated in support of the independence of the Fleet Trust, any funds that we may have are not there to be plundered at will by MyFC. Your demanding tone on behalf of whoever primes you with these posts would quite frankly put Dick Turpin to shame.

And again someone comes on to make accusations that bear no relationship to the truth. No one wants to plunder Fleet Trust funds. No one wants to undermine the work of the Fleet Trust. No one wants the Fleet Trust to pack up and go away. Some members of MyFC who pruchased merchandise from the Trust run shop had legitimate questions about why the money didn't appear to end up where it was supposed to go. David Holden said above that all the profit from replica shirts has been handed over to the club. If this is the case then there is no issue.

Originally Posted By: kmj

Please only come back on this forum when you know the full background and facts.

So I am only allowed to post on this forum when I have full knowledge of all the background and facts about everything? Can I not ask a few questions without getting jumped on. Not once did I make any accusations about the Fleet Trust or any members of it. Yet if you look back through this thread you will see plenty of unfounded accusations being made against me and MyFC. Now how about a bit of balance and fair play.

[rsheard]

David, a late response to yours... again, I agree with you completely on those points. My suspicion is that this was a non-issue from the beginning. I missed the whole start of the discussion (perhaps a good thing), and I hadn't heard the accusations about the trust until I read about them here. Let's hope like most other teapot tempests, this one can disappear quickly. My brief time in Northfleet was too enjoyable to let these squabbles tarnish it, and I readily admit I was made to feel most welcome by MyFC and non-MyFC supporters alike. I hope we can get to the point where the divide isn't the daily issue we face. As I said earlier, my primary aim is only to do what little I can to help the club, even if that's just attending a few games each year and lending a small bit of capital into the pot. Right now what I'd like to hear is some good news from Liam that he's secured a few more of the best players to contracts for next season!

 

[American FLEET FAN No1]

I know ALL fans of the Fleet are grateful, Robert, for your(and others)dedication in taking the time(and significant cost)to travel to Stonebridge Road! With fans/supporters like you the club has a future!

I also know a lot of the fans are sick of Lord Wah Wah, who has never stepped foot anywhere near the ground, coming on here spreading dischord amongst both sets of fans!

It is up to the members to put him in his place...........

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted By: American FLEET FAN No1

I also know a lot of the fans are sick of Lord Wah Wah, who has never stepped foot anywhere near the ground, coming on here spreading dischord amongst both sets of fans!
It is up to the members to put him in his place...........

I think the problem with Doheochai is that he hasn't recovered from the shock of not getting elected to the board. He managed a creditable 11th out of over 100 candidates but that doesn't seem to be enough for him.

Now here's a little competition for the non-MyFc members only, members like Harry and Barda will already know the answer.
Ever since Doheochai finished 11th in the board election he has been constantly campaigning for an increase in the board size from the current number 7 (democratially decided by MyFC members) to a very specific number.

What number of board members do you think that Doheochai who finished 11th would like to see on the MyFC board?

You can choose any number you like between 8 and 100, lets see if any of you can get it right.
No whispering from MyFC members.

[Jeff]

The board is a seven a side game isn't it?

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Slartibartfast

I think the problem with Doheochai is that he hasn't recovered from the shock of not getting elected to the board. He managed a creditable 11th out of over 100 candidates but that doesn't seem to be enough for him.

For your information Slarti - I knew I wasn't going to get elected because I knew the 'local' candidates would take all the seats - the only shock was the Paul won a seat.

And I have no intention of standing for the board if it was extended in the near future. I am quite happy with the work that I am currently engaged in for MyFC and EUFC and I don't feel I would have time to complete these projects if I was on the board. So you can politely stick that in you pipe and

[Hempstead Gaz]

Trouble, Wah Wah, you lost the election, and have spat out your dummy, and are now having a major paddy. My 8 year old daughter acts like that too, but I don't expect grown men to do that, especially as they proclaim they are working on projects for the club I love.

You didn't get your seat on the board, you can't get your hands on (most of) the Trust money and now you knew the results of the ballot BEFORE the result, but still you seem to be trying to run the club.

Are you sure you aren't Robert Mugabe?

[Jeff]

How did you know that 'local' candidates who win the vote Mystic Wanchai?

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

I knew the 'local' candidates would take all the seats

Dom, do you also 'know' this weeks lottery numbers? LOL

[Hempstead Gaz]

Keep feeding the troll. His posts are becoming more bizarre and ludicrous by the day. And he wonders why he didn't get elected.

Perhaps MYFC could see he was a cretinous buffoon who doesn't want what is best for Ebbsfleet, but for himself.