St Georges Day !

[Ofiicial]

I was being flippant Pabird...mind you it probably is more 'politically correct' to fly it there than it is here......

 

talk about 'Alice Thru' The Looking Glass'

 

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[Halifax Lass]

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At work now and Friday just thought to say H.A.G.W
Down here of course we all spend Fridays in the pub drinking brandy and champers getting ready to retire to our week-end retreat second homes
Not withstanding trips to various bountifully fitted out non-league clubs for a couple of hours of superb entertainment mixing with societies best
Sunday of course very little time left after three visits to the little country-side church we like to call our own
Somewhat similar to your own weekend I assume? still into wellie throwing? and the Hare coursing?
PS Ma and Pa now resident in Kettering (one home) and just to show Im only at the jest my Fathers family all from the border regions

Gosh Pabird, you've got me totally confused now. (Doesn't take much doing). Is it you and Mabird who live in a residential home in Kettering or your Father? And church 3 times on a Sunday! Are you the vicar???

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[pabird]

You (nice) idiot

Our Home is in Kettering, We moved hear after thirty years in Essex although both Londoners by birth

Church?? I was being cynical (in a friendly manner) But vicar no! although according to the Sunday papers they seem to lack for little in the home comforts department

 

[The Invisible Man]

I had composed a great big rant on this thread. You will all be relieved to know that I accidentally hit "Escape" and lost the bloody lot, and can't be arsed to do it all again.

 

To address one query: I understand that planning permission is required to erect a flagpole, but NOT to fly a flag, UNLESS it is an advertisement ie has a company name or logo on it or something.

[Urchino]

Who should you blame for the flag of St George not being flown!

 

Some Say blame Blair i say NO

Some Say Blame The PC Brigade i Say No

Some Say Blame Europe

 

I say Blame the Racist Thugs who march under the guise of the flag.....The ones who smash Bars up in France the ones who murder a Boy at a Bus Stop on his way home!!!!

 

I also was for once in my life actually proud of the St Georges cross for a little while during the world cup a team united!

 

But then i looked at Daily Mail headlines one from the 1930's one of 2001 both critizeing Asylum seekers, the 1930's one was critizeing Jews fleeing Hitler!

 

It will be a few more years until i fly the Flag!

[Ofiicial]

hey...my little friend.....take it easy man....you can't hold yourself responsible for what happened to your's or anybody else's in the 30's.....

 

there wasn't a family...especially an eastern european family.... that wasn't touched....we can all go there......

 

the cross of St George is our flag.......with all its shortcomings and all its failings......thats what this country is all about....thats why we live here.....warts and all......

 

chill my friend....enjoy the weekend.....enjoy the country that you live in because for all its faults...its better than most.... and dont be sucked into Blairs dream of a united europe and a united global power...it will never happen....east is east and west is west......and....

 

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[Ofiicial]

sorry urchino....... but.....me again....

 

whilst you were reading those old editions of the daily mail ....did you catch up with the ones that told the story of the tens of thousands of brave men that died fighting under the flag of St George...fighting aginst Hitler to free the very people that you suggest were.......persecuted.....

 

did you also not see that...once again a persecuted nation were liberated by the 'cross of st george'...... in the falklands....we've got our faults kiddo....but the post that you posted was misguided......

 

fly the flag son....you live here...be proud of that flag.......

[Halifax Lass]

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Who should you blame for the flag of St George not being flown!

Some Say blame Blair i say NO
Some Say Blame The PC Brigade i Say No
Some Say Blame Europe

I say Blame the Racist Thugs who march under the guise of the flag.....The ones who smash Bars up in France the ones who murder a Boy at a Bus Stop on his way home!!!!



I also was for once in my life actually proud of the St Georges cross for a little while during the world cup a team united!

But then i looked at Daily Mail headlines one from the 1930's one of 2001 both critizeing Asylum seekers, the 1930's one was critizeing Jews fleeing Hitler!

It will be a few more years until i fly the Flag!

The words.... kettle, pot, Palestine spring to mind. Guess they're not too keen on that blue and white flag flying in their territory!

[pabird]

I make you correct with the Palestine scene from day one they have been robbed by us and lacked support from us

But if you compare our world efforts at peace and spreading the word the flag of St George is a highly worthwhile symbol and we should be proud

Palestine must have its nationhood and Jerusalem must become an open international city (the first ever) with maybe the UN demonstrating some value in its being by moving its headquarters there.

That will never happen as the UN lacks motivation to be more than a talk shop and viable outlet for career failed politicians

Israel has gone way out of order in recent times and in particular in taking East European Jews and telling them they can have land and weapons to protect that land but only if it is in "the expanded Israel "

And before our friend denounces the flag of St George further he should travel further afield and judge the respect that our flag is held in by other nations

By the way is there some reason all these people have in being English but hating the English flag

[Urchino]

I respect everyones opinon and that is what makes Britain great. I infact class myself as British rather than just English.

 

I, as a member of the ANL, feel you have taken my point totally out of context. I also am extremely proud in the people who fought against the very evil i was talking about, these are the very people that the Racists are insulting!

 

My point is that in being proud to be British we dont have to overbake the importance of the flag.It is those very extremists and troublemakers who have made people like me feel uncomfortable with the flag of St.George.This hopefully will change over years to come but in reality it doesnt matter.

 

My worry is we give the Extreme Right excuses by saying we are strangers in Our own country and claiming that Europe rules us. Did it rule us when we made the decision to go to war with America against the Iraqi Regime!

 

We Are not talking about Israel and Palestinan Issue we are descussing St Georges Day. I was giving my reasons why I believed the flying of the St Georges cross to be inapropriate. As far as the Israeli issue is concerned I also believe in a Palestinan State with an Israel free and safe from the horrendous terroist attacks it regularly suffers.The fact is that over 70 per cent of Israelis support a Palestinian State.It will happen,mark my words.

Both sides know that ultimately it is the only way forward.

 

Don't tell me "Kettle, Pot and Palestine" when you know nothing about my oppinons or political views!

Maybe you should find out my political position before you critize it Halifax Lass!

 

Anyway forget St.Georges Day flags..the flags should be out on Saturday for little Hornchurch if they clinch their place in the Ryman Premier.........

 

 

[Ofiicial]

Thats the whole point Urchino....we dont want to forget it...we want to be able to fly it...anywhere at anytime without a massive 'guardianista' type uproar accusing us of being racist......it goes further.....

 

we also want to be able to buy hot cross buns without being told by some dimwit on Harringay Borough Council that these buns are offensive to ethnic minority groups.....

 

couldn't make it up could you......

 

of course the next thing is that we won't have indian restaurants or french ones or italian ones or any other type of ones......that will be racist as well.....god knows what we will have......European ones I expect but that won't deal with the Indian or Chinese ones will it.......so what then.....well....

 

Farantinos Global Restaurant.....Raj Mahal Universal Restaurant.......Woo Lins European Cuisine....

 

you see....

 

it is all total drivel......I am English........my Parents are English....my Grandparents were Irish.............(one welsh)........so what.....I dont want to be European or British....I want to be English and fly my English Bloody flag and I dont expect anyone to say anything about that when I'm flying the flag in an English garden somewhere in england..........

 

a garden by the way of a house that I paid for...not subsidised by some left wing bloody council (washing away tax payers money) and inhabited by Albanian gypos posing as asylum seekers....

 

My Great Great grandfather fought for his flag.....my Great Grandfather fought for his flag....my Grandfather and my Father fought for their flag (I fought for another country's flag because I had to do national service there but I fought alongside other Englishmen who were flying my flag...long story) and now my son fights for the Cross Of St George as well.......

 

I am proud to be English and as much as I hate this bloody government and all it stands for and as much as I suffer dismay at some of the things that go on here...this is a wonderful country with wonderful colourful natives and a wonderful colourful history.......its culture is rich beyond imagination and I genuinely believe that our muti cultured cosmopolitan country is richer for its colonial past and its ethnic minority communities......but it is England and the Cross Of St George is the English flag so...bloody well fly it and be proud...

 

I am.....

 

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[Urchino]

Merci pour votre reponse.

Allez les urchins.

Je suis tres heureux vous avez la meme opinion a moi !!!

 

Thank you for your reply,

Come on you Urchins

I am pleased you have the same opinion to me (ha ha)

 

....by the way,Ive seen a marvellous footballer..he is from Albania,works in the Harringay Council.....................

[Ofiicial]

we don't need to have the same opinions Urchino...thats what democracy is all about.....freedom of speech...as for...

 

the albanian gypo...sounds right up our street...if he reads the Guardian and wears white socks....sign him up on two grand a week and throw an urchinette in for good measure....

[Halifax Lass]

 

 

Blimey Official that was brilliant, could not have put it better myself.

 

When I worked for a local authority in a city not too far from Halifax I could not ask for black coffee or write on a black board. I even had to sort through library books to remove those containing nursery rhymes such as baa baa black sheep and sing a song on sixpence. I could celebrate, Divali, Eid etc and on the day that celebrates the founding of Pakistan the Pakistan flag flies from City Hall!

 

I'm quite happy to celebrate any of these just as long as I'm also allowed to celebrate things that are English and being English (and part Spanish)!

 

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[Urchino]

The Black Board The Black Coffee are crazy and are thought of by "Guardinists" as you put it! Dont get me wrong im no fan of them for my own reasons! I stick to the view on the flag though! As for the Flag on the shirt i will still wear it, thats something i am proud of !

 

As For The Albanian......he wil play if i get my choice of Urchinette as well!

 

[Ofiicial]

that's the whole point girl.....we do enjoy the celebration of other cultures in our own towns and cities (is there a better day out than Notting Hill) and we do (for the most part) live peacefully side by side with peoples of different persuasions....trouble is we are made to feel ashamed of our own history and our own heritage......and its that history and heritage that has made us a multi cultural society....

 

when that hot cross bun drivel came out the Islamic community thought it was the funniest thing since the Hooked Cleric got Social Security....

 

yes........there is a right wing racist element that flys the Cross of St George....so bloody what....we don't pretend to be perfect........those idiots are not unique to this country I can tell you.......anyone had a dose of the street violence and racism in Germany and Italy for example.....let Blair sort the thugs out when he's finished with the Middle East and the European Presidency.....if he's got time....

 

In the meantime....fly the flag and be proud....I put mine up for St Georges Day and now its bloody well staying there....

[Urchino]

Im not a Girl !!!!!!

 

There i a Better Day out than Notting Hill............Urchinland the New Theme Park !

 

As For Dr Hook we gotta remember that man (?) is quite few sandwiches short of a picnic and not the normal muslim view!

[Halifax Lass]

 

 

I think he was talking to me urchino not you! By the way your French grammar is rather good!!

 

I forgot to say that I also join in the celebrations for Hanukkah. My boss brings in lots of gorgeous treats from her local bakery in Manchester for us.

 

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[Urchino]

Thank You I must say i got a little bit of help !

 

Celebrating all those events ! Must keep ya busy!

 

How does everybody know my religion is it cause of the "Racist Chanting" post by BOROMAN or are you all following me!

[The Invisible Man]

On the subject of tolerance and things, Official, you are surely right that the Nazi thugs misappropriating the national flag are not representative of anything very much except their own paranoia and personal insecurity, and of course you would not wish to be associated with them.

 

However, I suggest that you consider the corresponding view of the other end of the political spectrum, that is the lonny left with their no hot cross buns and Christmas trees lunacy is NOT representative of those of us who lean to th epink and who you and most other contributors here like to roundly abuse and call names. We commie pinko Guardian readers find them as absurd as you do, possibly more so, and are as appalled by them as you are by the ill-educated over-barbered racist thugs with trousers too short for them of the far right.

 

I am quite happy to be English but feel no great urge to go about telling people that I am, especially in England where it is a reasonable assumption. I am quite happy to celebrate our national day however, as I do Christmas, although not a Christian. Tradition, ritual and so on are important parts of being human.

 

I wonder if the case is not so much that we have stopped doing the St George's thing, as other groups have increased their various days, probably led by commercial interest eg te urge to sell lots of Guiness? When I was a nipper there was very little of any of this, except for the Boy Scout parade on St Georges day. Nothing on paddy's day at all, and I am assured by a Scotsman that Burns night is a recent fabrication, the occassion passing almost unmarked north of the border. Further, there are none more patriotic than those exiled, they feel to need to assert their identities far more than their comptriots at home.

 

Europe? Like it or not, you are European old boy, geographically, geologically, historically, culturally, linguistically and genetically. You speak a Germanic language, (fluently and well if I may say so) with a fair chunk of Norse and a dash of Norman French thrown in, with maybe a hint of "Celtic".

 

I see no conflict with being English and European, any more than than being both a Londoner and English at the same time. I would be horrified if you called me a Yorshireman though, and they are English too aren't they? (no offence Lass, just an example!). Human identity is complex and multi-layered, and varies with the situation.

 

So, we have a Bank Holiday on May day, so why not on our national day? I wholly agree with the general idea, especially if there is beer involved. (and no, Official and pabird, I do not like lager!) Fly your flag if it floats your boat, after all I wear an England shirt when the team plays, we are making the same statement. I don't wear it every day though, and sometimes I wear a Spurs shirt or an Enfield Town shirt. Layers, see?

 

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