Great commentry from Chas and Bill

[Hempstead Gaz]

Keep up the good work - hope you can help Fleet get a good result.

A big hello from everyone at Luddesdowne Cricket club.

[Claudius]

I am sure it was good comments.

However,I cannot judge for myself since it seems impossible to listen in outside UK.

Why does the FA prevent that?

I mean..never mind me..but there are true fans to english clubs all over the world nowadays.

AFF in the US for example,another one in Singapore and so on.

I know logic might not come into this as FA indeed has appointed chaps like Keegan and Umbrella..but it still seems a rather stupid move to block listening from abroad..even by FA:s standards.

 

[MrMushroom]

All I can think of of that it may be something to do with intellectual property rights, either of the FA or the BBC. Anybody know for sure?

[Mr England]

dont know exactly but dom said on the myfc forums that its the fa not wanting to broadcast their competitions abroad,

[MrMushroom]

However, the FA Cup Final is broadcast everywhere!

[American FLEET FAN No1]

It is probably the greed of the FA that stops them broadcasting abroad. Just think if they broadcast, it might stop people like me from bothering to go to the match, and they lose revenue!

 

 

Nobody has ever accused the FA of being smart!

[BustaGut]

Chas implied during his broadcast, that a link had been set up(illegal), to enable fans outside of the UK to listen to the match

[Digitalis]

This from the BBC site. I have emailed them asking for clarification, (maybe Lord C can help?) as the statement refers specifically to Premiership matches, not NL:

 

"However, please note that we occasionally have to restrict access to some programmes to UK users only for rights reasons. For instance, we only have the rights to broadcast certain sporting events in the UK - not worldwide. These include Premiership football matches and Formula One Grand Prix. So you can listen on BBC Radio 5 Live on 909 & 693AM and on digital radio or digital TV, but not over the internet because this can be accessed across the globe. We apologise for any inconvenience."

[Digitalis]

Originally Posted By: BustaGut

Chas implied during his broadcast, that a link had been set up(illegal), to enable fans outside of the UK to listen to the match

A couple of users were hosting conference calls on Skype to "chat with other members" and "just happened" to have Radio Kent playing at the same time

[PatMan]

Can't understand the FA's logic on this.. But then the FA are a mystery to me on most things they get involved with!

[Alan W (GNFC)]

Taken from the Competition Rules on theFAWebsite :-

 

In relation to each match in the Competition, The Association shall itself be exclusively entitled to, or otherwise to authorise or grant to others, rights of access to and attendance at the ground of the Home Club (“Access Rights”) for the purposes of transmitting or filming or otherwise recording on or by any media, any audio and/or visual materials depicting or describing all or any part or parts of a match (“the Copyright Materials”).

 

(g) In relation to each match in the Competition, The Association shall itself be exclusively entitled throughout the world, or to grant to or otherwise authorise others:

 

(i) on a live, delayed, recorded or highlighted basis to broadcast or otherwise transmit by any method whatsoever (now known or hereinafter devised) the Copyright Materials by way of any and all forms of television or similar technology (now known or hereinafter devised) including, without limitation, free to air television, pay television, pay per view, “not-video-on-demand” internet or other on-line media and “video-on-demand” (“the Television Rights”).

 

(ii) on a live or delayed basis to broadcast or to otherwise transmit the Copyright Materials (or audio) by way of radio broadcast or internet, or other on-line media or similar technology (now known or hereinafter devised) (“the Radio Rights”).

 

(iii) to use, sell, publish, distribute and otherwise exploit the Copyright Materials in any manner whatsoever including, without limitation, clip licensing, videos, videograms, CD Rom, CDI, internet or other on-line media (“the Footage Rights”).

 

 

[BustaGut]

Originally Posted By: Digitalis

Originally Posted By: BustaGut

Chas implied during his broadcast, that a link had been set up(illegal), to enable fans outside of the UK to listen to the match

A couple of users were hosting conference calls on Skype to "chat with other members" and "just happened" to have Radio Kent playing at the same time

good luck to them i say

[MrMushroom]

Originally Posted By: Alan W (GNFC)

Taken from the Competition Rules on theFAWebsite :-

In relation to each match in the Competition, The Association shall itself be exclusively entitled to, or otherwise to authorise or grant to others, rights of access to and attendance at the ground of the Home Club (“Access Rights”) for the purposes of transmitting or filming or otherwise recording on or by any media, any audio and/or visual materials depicting or describing all or any part or parts of a match (“the Copyright Materials”).

(g) In relation to each match in the Competition, The Association shall itself be exclusively entitled throughout the world, or to grant to or otherwise authorise others:

(i) on a live, delayed, recorded or highlighted basis to broadcast or otherwise transmit by any method whatsoever (now known or hereinafter devised) the Copyright Materials by way of any and all forms of television or similar technology (now known or hereinafter devised) including, without limitation, free to air television, pay television, pay per view, “not-video-on-demand” internet or other on-line media and “video-on-demand” (“the Television Rights”).

(ii) on a live or delayed basis to broadcast or to otherwise transmit the Copyright Materials (or audio) by way of radio broadcast or internet, or other on-line media or similar technology (now known or hereinafter devised) (“the Radio Rights”).

(iii) to use, sell, publish, distribute and otherwise exploit the Copyright Materials in any manner whatsoever including, without limitation, clip licensing, videos, videograms, CD Rom, CDI, internet or other on-line media (“the Footage Rights”).

So the FA own the copyright and are guarding it closely. No surprise there, that is quite normal. However, I guess they would want to charge higher licence fees for broadcasting overseas and there is really little incentive for BBC Radio Kent to pay those additional fees, hence the restricted coverage. This is purely guesswork, so I may be wrong, but that is how IP normally works.

[rsheard]

Mr. Mushroom, I think you're exactly right. There typically wouldn't be much international interest in the FA Trophy, so no one negotiated broadcast rights with the FA.

 

I'm torn. I'd like to see that change for next season, but then again, I hope next season that the Fleet aren't in that competition.

[Digitalis]

I'm just wondering how the BBC identify "foreigners" and deny access. I thought it might be through IP address, but I know people have tried using anonymous proxies and still not been able to listen...

[Alan W (GNFC)]

If we are still involved in the Trophy next season its one of the competitions that Setanta are due to provide more coverage of (I'd have to say its about time as its Non League's premier cup comp & I guess Carlsberg must wonder what they've achieved from their sponsorship up to now with only the final getting any airtime)

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: Digitalis

I'm just wondering how the BBC identify "foreigners" and deny access. I thought it might be through IP address, but I know people have tried using anonymous proxies and still not been able to listen...

I thought it was proxy related - my firms IT is run through HQ in Germany, so we cannot get Beeb content in work - although we are in UK!

Surely a UK based (not anonymous) proxy would overcome this?

Who knows - except it can't be worth all the hassle just to prevent some desperate footy fan living abroad from tuning into the FA Trophy!