Can we all just get on with it now?

[kaizen]

Dreaming, I'm only dreaming....

[Derryman]

Speaking of the Great People's Election on MyFC, I confidently predict it will go tits up and there will be screaming and gnashing of teeth.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Originally Posted By: deanmdafc

this may not be popular but could be the begining of the end for many things in football.giving fans a say will stop this nonsense of chairman continually picking managers and having no comeback only leaving the fans to suffer.supporters paying a fortune to watch football with little or no say,look at barca they are owned by the supporters and they seem to be doing ok.liverpool are going down the same route and others will follow.on a far bigger scale although the theory remains the same,give fans a proper say in the club they support and follow.if the scheme is working well after a couple of seasons imagine if the yearly share becomes £152 per season giving you a budget well in to the multi million type of investment who knows where you will end up.

Imagine what the administrative cost would be then!

[Trebor1975]

Originally Posted By: deanmdafc

this may not be popular but could be the begining of the end for many things in football.giving fans a say will stop this nonsense of chairman continually picking managers and having no comeback only leaving the fans to suffer.supporters paying a fortune to watch football with little or no say,look at barca they are owned by the supporters and they seem to be doing ok.liverpool are going down the same route and others will follow.on a far bigger scale although the theory remains the same,give fans a proper say in the club they support and follow.if the scheme is working well after a couple of seasons imagine if the yearly share becomes £152 per season giving you a budget well in to the multi million type of investment who knows where you will end up.

Barcelona and Liverpool are complete opposites from Ebbsfleet. Ebbsfleet is about outsiders coming in to take over the club, just as with virtually every other takeover in football. And, until MyFC are more open about their finances, the suspicion will be that it's all being done to make Will Brooks rich.

Ebbsfleet is a step backwards after the good work that has been done over recent years by Supporters Direct, along the Barcelona and Liverpool models.

I fear the Ebbsfleet fiasco will set back genuine community ownership quite considerably and just encourage the ridiculously commercial approach to modern football.

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted By: deanmdafc

this may not be popular but could be the begining of the end for many things in football.giving fans a say will stop this nonsense of chairman continually picking managers and having no comeback only leaving the fans to suffer.supporters paying a fortune to watch football with little or no say,look at barca they are owned by the supporters and they seem to be doing ok.liverpool are going down the same route and others will follow.on a far bigger scale although the theory remains the same,give fans a proper say in the club they support and follow.if the scheme is working well after a couple of seasons imagine if the yearly share becomes £152 per season giving you a budget well in to the multi million type of investment who knows where you will end up.

They don't let people who have never seen the players pick the team though do they?

[Trebor1975]

Maybe that's because they're actually owned by their community, who inevitably care about the club, rather than by a bunch of outsiders?

[Cardomon]

Originally Posted By: Trebor1975

Maybe that's because they're actually owned by their community, who inevitably care about the club, rather than by a bunch of outsiders?

Tell you what mate, how about you come down to Bournemouth where I live and tell us all about the joys of community ownership and the golden new future of community clubs ?

[Derryman]

Thought Harry was going to help you out ?

[Cardomon]

Peoples views here are very mixed about Harry. On one hand they need somebody to come in to survive.

On the other alot of Bournemouths debt can be traced back to the Redknapp era and the Chairman then. Massive over spending trying to sustain Bournemouth in what is now the championship.

Its an odd situation normally I feel some sympathy for the people who will lose money now the club is in admin. But so much of Bournemouths debt is in the form of private loans ex board members who lent the club money but have been receiving big interest on their loans while crippling the club.

They also have the problem that the last but one regime saw fit to sell the ground to a local development company.

 

As for the Community Club thing, thats died a death. Supporters had a "golden share" which gave them veto rights over everything. However the golden share was a major stumbling block for attracting new investment.

 

It needs a clean slate really. Parkcrest the firm that now own the ground are part of the Sandbanks mafia along with Mr Redknapp so it may be that that is the only way they can move forward.

[deanmdafc]

They don't let people who have never seen the players pick the team though do they?

 

 

according to your manager on tv the other night nor will they.and with a base of 28,000 investors who knows where you will end up.

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Digitalis

Dom, that is out of order. I don't intend to start a debate on that subject on this forum but as someone standing for the board yourself I thought/hoped you might have a bit more integrity.

Minus one vote. And for the record, Dave stated he intends to renew his membership when it expires, just that he wasn't prepared to extend it now.

Actually - to quote Dave directly - he 'currently intends to renew his membership' - but this however may change - probably if he is not elected. He point blank refused to guarantee that he would renew his membership which questions his committment to MyFC and EUFC (particularly as he voted against acquiring the club) -

And with regards integrity - I call it as I see it. I do not want to see Dave on the Board - I think he would play a counter-productive role and, in my opinion, he has done nothing to contribute to MyFC over the past few months except nit-pick at minute details and consciously mislead members on a wide variety of issues - including the takeover vote. Vote for him at your peril.

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: wanchai

Actually - to quote Dave directly - he 'currently intends to renew his membership' - but this however may change - probably if he is not elected.

your words not his and a subjective assessment which worries me as far as your election to the board is concerned...we need objectivity not self serving egotists...

Originally Posted By: wanchai

He point blank refused to guarantee that he would renew his membership which questions his committment to MyFC and EUFC

why does it?...it just tells us mere mortals that he refuses to be bullied....

Originally Posted By: wanchai

And with regards integrity - I call it as I see it. I do not want to see Dave on the Board - I think he would play a counter-productive role and, in my opinion, he has done nothing to contribute to MyFC over the past few months except nit-pick at minute details and consciously mislead members on a wide variety of issues - including the takeover vote. Vote for him at your peril.

you mean he didn't follow the moonie doctrine and spoke honestly..?

fckn outrageous behaviour...

[Steve (YCFC)]

Originally Posted By: Jeff

I, like many of you on here have serious reservations about all this but it has happened now and we need to get on with it and make it work.

There is nothing more that we can do regarding the while MyFC ideal. someone owns 75% of the Fleet. FACT.

At the end of the day, we all back the Fleet to the hilt and this is the situation that the Fleet have sailed into now.

We may be in choppy waters but we are all shipmates.

We'll sail on whatever.

I know I'll probably get shot down for this by Hirsty, AFF, John etc but I think that you all really should sign up.

If anything it's bl00dy hilarious on their forum.

True Ebbsfleet supporters would be better putting their £35 quid into some sort of fund that can be used to buy what is left of the club back from the administrators when the MYFC experiment fails.

I will be happy to administer the fund for a 20% management fee per annum.

[Digitalis]

Nitpicking? Because someone asks what others consider pertinent questions? Just because it makes certain people uncomfortable? No wonder his campaign thread started to get attacked by FT candidates. "Ordinary" members are aware of what is going on, some have even commented about it.

 

Dom: We're not going to agree. I am really disappointed by the tenor of your post.

 

I challenge you to post the exact sentiments on the MyFC forum, either on Dave's campaign thread or your own.

 

Otherwise, I'll probably do it for you or would that get deleted by a Forum Team member, I wonder?

 

And what also hacks me off is I find myself agreeing with UU. Damn.

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: Digitalis

Dom: We're not going to agree. I am really disappointed by the tenor of your post.

Remember, another member of MyFC was the first one to come on here and promote specific candidates - I criticised one of the candidates he indicated.

Originally Posted By: Digitalis

I challenge you to post the exact sentiments on the MyFC forum, either on Dave's campaign thread or your own.

Be my guest - I have not said anything different on here about Dave that I haven't said on the MyFC forum since last November.

Originally Posted By: Digitalis

Otherwise, I'll probably do it for you or would that get deleted by a Forum Team member, I wonder?

Now you are sounding like Dave. Dave's candidacy has been criticised by many members - a couple of FT members - but many who are not. I have no problem with anyone going onto Dave's campaign thread and offering support to him. But if a member of MyFC posts outside the 'Society' forum or on a different website supporting Dave then I will indicate my criticisms of his candidacy.

Originally Posted By: Digitalis

And what also hacks me off is I find myself agreeing with UU. Damn.

And that should make you wonder where you are coming from - incidentally - Dave still refuses to give a guarantee that he will renew his membership if he is not elected to the Board (merely stating he 'currently' intends to renew - he is being his usual 'solicitor' self in this) - and this should really raise alarm bells if you intend to vote for him.

[Derryman]

I'm voting for Dustin in preference to any of the other turkeys.

 

http://www.thestage.co.uk/news/newsstory.php/19770/irelands-eurovision-entry-could-be-a-turkey

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: Digitalis

Originally Posted By: Uncle Urchin

hope springs eternal

Isn't that somewhere near niagara falls?

more like viagra falls in my case digibox....

[Trebor1975]

Originally Posted By: Cardomon

Originally Posted By: Trebor1975

Maybe that's because they're actually owned by their community, who inevitably care about the club, rather than by a bunch of outsiders?

Tell you what mate, how about you come down to Bournemouth where I live and tell us all about the joys of community ownership and the golden new future of community clubs ?

I'm sure someone from Supporters Direct would love to come down and tell you how Bournemouth fans can own their club through a trust, rather than through the previous way it was done.