Should MYFC members be allowed to pick our team?

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: .matty

Originally Posted By: clowntown

More seriously, if you deny them the chance to pick the team, they can sue. Who is liable then? Just MyFC or EUFC too? No-one seems to have contemplated the legal and financial repurcusions that will inevitably flare up when the sheer scale of MyFC's 'smoke and mirrors' approach becomes apparent.

But would it really reach court? Anybody wishing to goto court would be trying to claim £35 back, who would risk the legal fees for this? Only an idiot. I very much doubt the CPS would consider it worth the courts time, let alone the Judge who would have to sit in on it.

don't be a mug matty...the CPS is a criminal prosecution organisation....

clownie is correct...its a civil court torte case waiting to happen with ambulance chasers already slathering over the initial misleading sales bumpf...

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted By: Uncle Urchin

quote=clowntown]

More seriously, if you deny them the chance to pick the team, they can sue. Who is liable then? Just MyFC or EUFC too?

clownie is correct...its a civil court torte case waiting to happen with ambulance chasers already slathering over the initial misleading sales bumpf...


Not for EUFC it isn't.

Nor for MyFC if their members vote against picking the team. You can't sue the government because you don't agree with the election result anympre than you can sue them for not sticking to their promises.

Clownie hasn't been correct yet, don't expect him to start now.

[.matty]

Originally Posted By: Uncle Urchin

clownie is correct...its a civil court torte case

Do you mean Tort Case? I think a torte is a type of cake.

Still unlikely to happen for a £35 claim. Especially when you would have a poor case as the membership would of voted to change the t&c. Would you want to pay all the legal expenses for the sake of £35?

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: clowntown

More seriously, if you deny them the chance to pick the team, they can sue. Who is liable then? Just MyFC or EUFC too?

clownie is correct...its a civil court torte case waiting to happen with ambulance chasers already slathering over the initial misleading sales bumpf...

Originally Posted By: slartifartie

Not for EUFC it isn't.

Nor for MyFC if their members vote against picking the team. You can't sue the government because you don't agree with the election result anympre than you can sue them for not sticking to their promises.

Clownie hasn't been correct yet, don't expect him to start now.

sorry slarti but he has been more correct than you...for example...there is no option as yet for not picking the team....the whole concept was sold on the promise and cannot be taken away without the threat of legal recourse...

you really haven't sussed all this out yet have you...!!

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: .matty

Originally Posted By: Uncle Urchin

clownie is correct...its a civil court torte case

Do you mean Tort Case? I think a torte is a type of cake.

Still unlikely to happen for a £35 claim. Especially when you would have a poor case as the membership would of voted to change the t&c. Would you want to pay all the legal expenses for the sake of £35?

you perhaps should be less cavalier about the intent of 28000 people who were sold this dream...

own the club..pick the team..

obtaining money under false pretences could even enter the stage...possibly from the right...

[kaizen]

UU's absolutely right - MYFC's unique selling point on this whole deal has always been 'own the club - pick the team' they daren't back down on it legally - the lawyers would have a field day.

[Poultice]

Tell me Sir Urchin, exactly how many small claims for 35 quid plus costs do you think it would take for Herr Brooks to start feeling the pinch ?

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted By: Uncle Urchin

Originally Posted By: clowntown

More seriously, if you deny them the chance to pick the team, they can sue. Who is liable then? Just MyFC or EUFC too?

clownie is correct...its a civil court torte case waiting to happen with ambulance chasers already slathering over the initial misleading sales bumpf...

Originally Posted By: slartifartie

Not for EUFC it isn't.

Nor for MyFC if their members vote against picking the team. You can't sue the government because you don't agree with the election result anympre than you can sue them for not sticking to their promises.

Clownie hasn't been correct yet, don't expect him to start now.

sorry slarti but he has been more correct than you...for example...there is no option as yet for not picking the team....the whole concept was sold on the promise and cannot be taken away without the threat of legal recourse...

you really haven't sussed all this out yet have you...!!


Except that Clownie suggested that EUFC could be liable, EUFC didn't sell 'pick the team' and don't have any say on whether 'pick the team' goes ahead so if Clownie wants to try sueing EUFC he won't find too many ambulance chasers slathering over the case.

MyFC is sold on the premise that 'The members votes decide all aspects of running the club' if a majority vote against picking the team then that is the members wishes and members could not sue themselves because they held a minority view.

[MrMushroom]

The terms and conditions of membership are also important here. I haven't studied the MYFC T's & C's but typically they may allow the organisation to make changes to the way it operates, often without prior consultation with the membership. In this case there is no legal recourse if the membership do not like the changes. If the MYFC T's & C's have this clause, then the board could make these changes without a vote. It would not be good for renewals to do it that way, though.

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Surely this all depends on whether the members have the right to vote, to change the Myfc constitution.

Just because they vote on other things, changing the constitution may not be one of them! I am not that interested in Myfc to have read the smallprint.

The basics of the constitution, is 'Own a Club and Pick the Team'!

We all know the members don't really own the club, the Trust does, so that was misleading at best.

If the members who signed solely to pick the team, suddenly realise they are not going to pick the team, then they have two options.

1. Try to sue Myfc, which as far as I see, they will be suing themselves!

2. Don't re-new their membership next year!

[Mr England]

AFF as far as know members can vote to change the t&c by a majority vote of 75% i think

[American FLEET FAN No1]

For once I thank you for that information!

[.matty]

Originally Posted By: Uncle Urchin

you perhaps should be less cavalier about the intent of 28000 people who were sold this dream...

own the club..pick the team..

obtaining money under false pretences could even enter the stage...possibly from the right...

But in order for this to happen they would need a 75% vote in order to make the change. When you think that only about 15,000 can be bothered to even vote, never mind have the hassle of a court case, we would need to look at 25% of 15,000 at the most looking to goto court - that would be 3750. Out of these 3750 you can be sure a lot will be happy just to go along with the decision I think it would be something like 80% would be happy, but for arguments sake we will say 50%. Now your number is down to 1875. Out of these 1875, how many will want to goto court with the hassle and expense.

When you look at Fairpak, who had 30,000 customers in Scotland alone - who on average lost £400, you will see that there was a very small minority who actually pushed to go through the courts. The net result - alot of expense and the fairpak customers got nothing. Fairpak customers had a lot more at stake than MYFC bods and yet very few of the estimated 150,000 customers actually had the will to see out a court case. It isn't about being cavalier about the intention of 28,000 people, it is about being a realist and understanding human nature, and understanding the circumstances.

You will see from my posts that I do not agree with myfc, but I do understand the likely result in this instance - I will criticise MYFC where it needs to be done but I will also back it if I think it does well. I joined MYFC as they have a stake in the club I love. At least I didn't pay my £35 in order to merely cause trouble - that would be small minded & just plain stupid - in my eyes it is a sign of someone with no life & it must be a pretty sad existence - my advice to someone like that would be to go out and get a life.

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: .matty

Originally Posted By: Uncle Urchin

you perhaps should be less cavalier about the intent of 28000 people who were sold this dream...

own the club..pick the team..

obtaining money under false pretences could even enter the stage...possibly from the right...

But in order for this to happen they would need a 75% vote in order to make the change. When you think that only about 15,000 can be bothered to even vote, never mind have the hassle of a court case, we would need to look at 25% of 15,000 at the most looking to goto court - that would be 3750. Out of these 3750 you can be sure a lot will be happy just to go along with the decision I think it would be something like 80% would be happy, but for arguments sake we will say 50%. Now your number is down to 1875. Out of these 1875, how many will want to goto court with the hassle and expense.

When you look at Fairpak, who had 30,000 customers in Scotland alone - who on average lost £400, you will see that there was a very small minority who actually pushed to go through the courts. The net result - alot of expense and the fairpak customers got nothing. Fairpak customers had a lot more at stake than MYFC bods and yet very few of the estimated 150,000 customers actually had the will to see out a court case. It isn't about being cavalier about the intention of 28,000 people, it is about being a realist and understanding human nature, and understanding the circumstances.

You will see from my posts that I do not agree with myfc, but I do understand the likely result in this instance - I will criticise MYFC where it needs to be done but I will also back it if I think it does well. I joined MYFC as they have a stake in the club I love. At least I didn't pay my £35 in order to merely cause trouble - that would be small minded & just plain stupid - in my eyes it is a sign of someone with no life & it must be a pretty sad existence - my advice to someone like that would be to go out and get a life.

you miss the point matty....the very fact that the idea was sold on the basis of own a club pick the team is enough to leave MyFc Ltd open to a class action by subscribers...thats the very reason why they will not change the rules....they WILL pick the team I can assure you as mr brooks and his expensive legal cronies will have absolutely no intention of exposing themselves to such action...

may I advise that you stop assuming what other people do or don't do..stop being subjective and writing longwinded tirades and start concentrating on the issues surrounding the club that you love that we are looking into here....

good lad...

[Derryman]

"Own the club, pick the team" ?

 

For most of the MyFC numpties it'll more likely be :

 

"Down the pub, pick my nose".

 

If it was my hometown club (Derry City FC - all bow) that this had happened to, I'd be seriously worried now.

[.matty]

I haven't missed the point at all, if the subscribers vote to change the t&c then there would be no "class action" and no "torte (whatever that is) case" and even if there was it would fail and cost the subscribers a lot more that their piddly £35 - I think that is the point that YOU have missed. The whole point of the thread was asking if MYFC should pick the team nothing at all about court cases.

 

To say things like "good lad..." is condecending to say the least. Especially from someone who for reasons unknown has decided to stick his nose into the business of Ebbsfleet United. Correct me if i'm wrong but don't you support AFC Hornchurch? Its funny that looking thorough your recent posts you have in fact posted more about Ebbsfleet than Hornchurch. If you feel so strongly about Ebbsfleet why don't you change your colours? Maybe the reason that you are so bitter and twisted about MYFC & Ebbsfleet is that you secretly wanted MYFC to invest in Hornchurch, of course you would deny that now as it is to late to change it.

 

Don't get me wrong - I don't dislike you, I just feel sorry for anyone who has such a poor life that they feel they have to go onto internet forums to try and create problems for others in the way that you do.

[.matty]

Originally Posted By: Derryman

"Own the club, pick the team" ?

For most of the MyFC numpties it'll more likely be :

"Down the pub, pick my nose".

If it was my hometown club (Derry City FC - all bow) that this had happened to, I'd be seriously worried now.

One thing which has surprised me is the amount of ppl who have invested money into Ebbsfleet United just in order to slag MYFC. I bet Will Brookes hates taking your money from them.

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: .matty

I haven't missed the point at all, if the subscribers vote to change the t&c then there would be no "class action" and no "torte (whatever that is) case" and even if there was it would fail and cost the subscribers a lot more that their piddly £35 - I think that is the point that YOU have missed. The whole point of the thread was asking if MYFC should pick the team nothing at all about court cases.

To say things like "good lad..." is condecending to say the least. Especially from someone who for reasons unknown has decided to stick his nose into the business of Ebbsfleet United. Correct me if i'm wrong but don't you support AFC Hornchurch? Its funny that looking thorough your recent posts you have in fact posted more about Ebbsfleet than Hornchurch. If you feel so strongly about Ebbsfleet why don't you change your colours? Maybe the reason that you are so bitter and twisted about MYFC & Ebbsfleet is that you secretly wanted MYFC to invest in Hornchurch, of course you would deny that now as it is to late to change it.

Don't get me wrong - I don't dislike you, I just feel sorry for anyone who has such a poor life that they feel they have to go onto internet forums to try and create problems for others in the way that you do.

so you've been a fleet supporter for how long matty...?

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: .matty

if the subscribers vote to change the t&c then there would be no "class action case" and even if there was it would fail and cost the subscribers a lot more that their piddly £35

not a very nice thing to say about the honest subscribers to the cause matty....most of them probably think that 35 quid is a lot of money...now you didn't answer my last question...how long have you been supporting the fleet...?

[.matty]

Not that its any of your business but over 40 years, and as I have already stated I have only joined MYFC to have a say in Ebbsfleet, had it been any other team I would not of joined. If I'm honest before MYFC came along I hadn't even looked at the Ebbsfleet website as the internet is still quite new for me - I've been happy just supporting the team (although ill health has made that alot harder over the last two years).

 

As far as other subscribers, well its all relevent what people think is a lot of money, I don't think £35 is a lot of money to pay for a share in football club, I mean what did you pay Hornchurch to have a share in it? I really don't care if others think its a lot of money or not, I wish they had left us alone, but now we are stuck with them we should make the best of the situation.

 

Now explain to me why you suddenly feel Ebbsfleet is more worthy of YOUR attention than Hornchurch? Are you really a closet Fleet fan?