Question for York fox & doheochai

[1 F in Fleet]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

MyFC is an evolving process. It is a learning curve. It will involve making adjustments and ensuring that it works as effectively as possible.

All of these sentiments are screaming HINDSIGHT at me , and I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking this - NOTHING is perfect - changes will be made when something hasn't worked , but by that time it's too late . Damage will have been caused . FORESIGHT is what is needed , and if you lot are open about it (which I doubt) then you will discuss it HERE .

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: 1 F in Fleet

All of these sentiments are screaming HINDSIGHT at me , and I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking this - NOTHING is perfect - changes will be made when something hasn't worked , but by that time it's too late . Damage will have been caused . FORESIGHT is what is needed , and if you lot are open about it (which I doubt) then you will discuss it HERE .

Do board members of any club always make the right decision?
Everyone makes mistakes, I think the MyFC model will minimise the mistakes through the involvement of the members and if we do make mistakes, they will be out in the open (not hidden in the Boardroom) and the lessons wil be obvious.

What damage has MyFC caused to EUFC?

and

What damage do you see it causing?

I have always been open on this forum. If anyone has any questions I do my best to answer them and if people criticise the MyFC model I answer those criticisms as well.

[1 F in Fleet]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Do board members of any club always make the right decision?

Do you think ours have made a wrong decision in allowing MYFC in , then ?
In general , most fans put TRUST , BELIEF and FAITH into the board of a team they follow - or else they vote with their feet , a la Leeds .

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Everyone makes mistakes

Originally Posted By: doheochai

I think the MyFC model will minimise the mistakes

Originally Posted By: doheochai

If we do make mistakes, they will be out in the open (not hidden in the Boardroom) and the lessons wil be obvious.

Nothing is perfect , as I said - and you concur - everyone makes mistakes . Then your contradiction ... " if we make mistakes " ... YOU WILL .

Originally Posted By: doheochai

What damage has MyFC caused to EUFC?

What damage has MYFC caused within MYFC ? Wills MYFC's choice of EUFC created a huge disenfranchisement within existing MYFC members - no dispute here , old argument . Then you test their faith more , get them voting on a shirt deal with limited options ( Nike , or nothing ), but hey ! They get to vote , which is what they signed up for ! Their input is valuable , it makes them feel involved , it keeps their interest from waning , EXCEPT ... it's already a done deal ? And the low turnout to vote on this ? Perhaps it really isn't what they thought it was gonna be , this " own the club , pick the team " mullarkey . Sadly , things as mundane as this are meat and drink for any club and any board , and yes , they too are usually presented to the fans as a fait accompli - no difference is there ? EXCEPT our manager , chairman and board are not faceless individuals to us fans - they're there when we are , AT THE GAME , and you can approach them and talk to them up close and personal , where not only can you see the whites of their eyes but also gauge the measure of the man before you . AND THAT DOES NOT COME AT ANY PRICE .
At EUFC we have an awful lot of faith and trust in our "suits" -we always have had . But we make that decision based on what we can SEE , on and off the pitch . They've done alright by us fans , so far . But MYFC ? I will remain a sceptic , until I am proved wrong . Trust everybody , but cut the cards .

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: 1 F in Fleet

Wills MYFC's choice of EUFC created a huge disenfranchisement within existing MYFC members - no dispute here , old argument.

Ignoring of course the fact that it was the EUFC Board that approached MyFC.

Originally Posted By: 1 F in Fleet

Then you test their faith more , get them voting on a shirt deal with limited options ( Nike , or nothing )

So nothing was an option? Of course as a result of the yes vote for Nike, Liam Daish might be able to bring in an extra couple of players this summer.

Originally Posted By: 1 F in Fleet

but hey ! They get to vote , which is what they signed up for ! Their input is valuable , it makes them feel involved , it keeps their interest from waning , EXCEPT ... it's already a done deal ?

So your entire criticism of democracy within MyFc is based on two votes before the MyFC Board is elected and before the MyFC memebrship period actually started.

Originally Posted By: 1 F in Fleet

EXCEPT our manager , chairman and board are not faceless individuals to us fans - they're there when we are , AT THE GAME , and you can approach them and talk to them up close and personal , where not only can you see the whites of their eyes but also gauge the measure of the man before you . AND THAT DOES NOT COME AT ANY PRICE .

And have you bothered to approach Will Brooks at Stonebridge Road? Many people on here have made the effort. Don't worry he won't bite and he doesn't look like a 'computer geek'.

Originally Posted By: 1 F in Fleet

At EUFC we have an awful lot of faith and trust in our "suits" -we always have had . But we make that decision based on what we can SEE , on and off the pitch . They've done alright by us fans , so far .

And full credit to you and others for that. Remember it is the same people you have placed such trust in that approached MyFC to negotiate a deal.

Originally Posted By: 1 F in Fleet

But MYFC ? I will remain a sceptic , until I am proved wrong . Trust everybody , but cut the cards .

Let us prove you wrong - but give us a chance rather than dismissing everything before we even start.

[1 F in Fleet]

Originally Posted By: doheochai

Ignoring of course the fact that it was the EUFC Board that approached MyFC.

We KNOW that - who made the choice of EUFC ? Will , and the cronies . NOT the fee payers - no doubt at all in most minds , most things are going Will's way .

Originally Posted By: doheochai

So nothing was an option? Of course as a result of the yes vote for Nike, Liam Daish might be able to bring in an extra couple of players this summer.

Wow , breaking news here !!! Footy team finds new players !!! Do ya think he would have done that anyway , like he has every summer since he took the job ? And don't forget , we've already lost salaried players , so these new ones would be REPLACEMENTS. Sorry , I was wrong - no , no news here at all .

I stand by everything I have said on the concept of MYFC - it is not for me , it is not for many people who signed up to it pre-EUFC . The money is great for the club . Why wouldn't it be ? Is it ( and MYFC's time at EUFC )sustainable though ? Crystal ball time - my answer says no , nay , never . But MYFC are in , so I have to watch and see . I would love to be proved wrong , but there's the catch - proof . Takes time , could be costly (if I'm right). Absolutely everything on your part , and mine , and MYFC in general , is supposition . Don't deny me on that .

[waggamick]

Originally Posted By: 1 F in Fleet

EXCEPT our manager , chairman and board are not faceless individuals to us fans - they're there when we are , AT THE GAME , and you can approach them and talk to them up close and personal , where not only can you see the whites of their eyes but also gauge the measure of the man before you . AND THAT DOES NOT COME AT ANY PRICE .
At EUFC we have an awful lot of faith and trust in our "suits" -we always have had . But we make that decision based on what we can SEE , on and off the pitch . They've done alright by us fans , so far .

Well you're not much of a judge 1F!
They sold you out!
Thisn't some sort of terrorist hijack and hostage situation.
YOUR directors approached MYFC..how many times does the 'do' man have to tell you?

[1 F in Fleet]

Whacker

They sold me out how ?

Their club , their investment , their majority shareholding , their continual propping up the finances - THEIR CHOICE .

Interesting how you personally view our board . They must be absolute scum , mustn't they ? In your opinion ? The fans mean nothing to them , why even bother trying all that they have achieved to this point ? Promotions , full time , leisure and training facilities , and still chasing the dream of a new stadium even now - boy , did I read them wrong ! Owar Takkun Tyam ! In fact they did such a bad job with it , it turned out to be exactly what 30K strangers ( or half a dozen cronies ) were looking for !

Perhaps you just don't see it from the colony , but these guys still have the best interests of the club at heart , like those of us that actually go to watch . Does this mean that I should believe them when they say MYFC is the best thing for the club , so I should embrace it ? NO ! That is THEIR choice , and they have their own reasons for the deal . I do not seek to sway anyone's opinion , I also do not have an ulterior motive for posting on here , like some - I simply do so out of a love of my club , one which I chose of my OWN volition over 30 years ago .

If you bothered to read my last reply to the "D'Oh" man you would plainly see ( as a teacher ) that I KNOW EUFC board approached MYFC . What you omit is that so did half a dozen other clubs - WE WEREN'T THE ONLY PUP IN THE WINDOW , BUT WE WERE TOILET TRAINED AND DIDN'T BITE .

And if you can be bothered to troll through my earlier posts , you will find that I also said PERHAPS Brain Kilcullen and Jason Botley may be the clever ones in all of this . Together with Oor Wullie , purveyor of miracle cures from his ( very )covered wagon to over 28000 satisfied customers , of course .

Fans of horse racing like yourself know that horses are blinkered so they can't see the whole picture - it unnerves their little brains .