I question for Arsenal/ England fans

[JP21]

It goes without saying that I meant after Bowers, blanchy.

[blanchflower]

[Eastside Urchin]

gaffa.no arsenal fan really gives a toss,you may get one or two but not many,anyway the fact of the matter is that in 5 years time arsenal will have double the amount of england players in their squad than spurs.

Your youth system is shocking and arsenal have 7-8 talented english youngsters coming through,spurs are lucky if they have one.Ramos will buy foreign when he realises that the english best players all play for chelsea,man utd and to a lesser extent liverpool

[The_Monk]

 

Gaffa u sum up most spurs fan a Fukking Prick, what a sh@T post i am big arsenal and england fan, arsenal play gr8 football which england r not capable of at the moment but unfortunatly i still love them.

 

And i was pleased for Jenas scoring the other night would u be pleased when Theo starts scoring for england doubt it cos you r a dumb yid!!!

[MCP]

Originally Posted By: JP21

It goes without saying that I meant after Bowers, blanchy.

Are you angling for a move to bowers?

Arsenal are a very very good footballing team and much better then spurs

[cider]

Originally Posted By: coach et 64

Originally Posted By: Talk_Is_Cheap

I personally think the problem with English football runs deeper than we like to admit and there need to be some magor changes.

Look at the most successful international side of all time, Brazil, they have played in every single world cup I believe and won it the most too.

Now maybe by default they have the best youth/breeding ground for their players in the world. Yes most of there national side play in Europe, but they all started in the Brazilian national league.

Because they then have to more to Europe for the "Big Money" it allows the next batch of Brazilian youngsters to progress into the national league and gain first team experience and learn their trade.

While the players who have left for Europe are now adding to their game and learning the football skills and tactics of other cultures.

This cycle then repeats itself and therefore creates the perfect youth set up..!!

And happens in France as well! :)The winning formula is:less cheap average foreigners and more English youth talent.Feck those ridicolous [****!!****] that run those farcical Coaching courses and raise the coaching standards at the Academies but more important at grass roots level where i see so many talented 8-10 years old kids who are told to get rid of the ball and are asked to run doggies like fecking lunatics!! that's the problem!organized youth sectors at the bottom of the pyramid where everybody has started his first kicks!

Coach,are these the same courses that you yourself are taking or have been taking?I agree that we have some useless coaches in grass roots but surley your not saying we should concentrate on kids who are playing sunday football rather than players who have already been identified and are sometimes having 5-7 contact hours per week.The reason teams like Arsenal go abroad for their younger players is that they are already technically gifted.Here our mentality in my opinion is affected by lots of things including the weather.If we could work for 45-60 mins per session on technique rather than phases of play or high tempo shadow play etc.. we would benefit in time.The first half sumed us up the other night.
David James under minimal pressure kept looking for Rooney rather than playing out from the back.Our play lacked patience and we when recieved the ball under pressure we usual lost it.We did one move in the first half where we passed the ball and kept it and the crowd booed.The reason we have some many numpties running junior teams is they forget Mini-Soccer is a kids games, played by kids,for kids.The important ones are the kids.Unfortunately it has been made into a kids game played by kids for the benefit of adults.Some people in Centres of excellence/academies have the same problem where they need their ego massaged.

[coach et 64]

Originally Posted By: cider

Originally Posted By: coach et 64

Originally Posted By: Talk_Is_Cheap

I personally think the problem with English football runs deeper than we like to admit and there need to be some magor changes.

Look at the most successful international side of all time, Brazil, they have played in every single world cup I believe and won it the most too.

Now maybe by default they have the best youth/breeding ground for their players in the world. Yes most of there national side play in Europe, but they all started in the Brazilian national league.

Because they then have to more to Europe for the "Big Money" it allows the next batch of Brazilian youngsters to progress into the national league and gain first team experience and learn their trade.

While the players who have left for Europe are now adding to their game and learning the football skills and tactics of other cultures.

This cycle then repeats itself and therefore creates the perfect youth set up..!!

And happens in France as well! :)The winning formula is:less cheap average foreigners and more English youth talent.Feck those ridicolous [****!!****] that run those farcical Coaching courses and raise the coaching standards at the Academies but more important at grass roots level where i see so many talented 8-10 years old kids who are told to get rid of the ball and are asked to run doggies like fecking lunatics!! that's the problem!organized youth sectors at the bottom of the pyramid where everybody has started his first kicks!

Coach,are these the same courses that you yourself are taking or have been taking?I agree that we have some useless coaches in grass roots but surley your not saying we should concentrate on kids who are playing sunday football rather than players who have already been identified and are sometimes having 5-7 contact hours per week.The reason teams like Arsenal go abroad for their younger players is that they are already technically gifted.Here our mentality in my opinion is affected by lots of things including the weather.If we could work for 45-60 mins per session on technique rather than phases of play or high tempo shadow play etc.. we would benefit in time.The first half sumed us up the other night.
David James under minimal pressure kept looking for Rooney rather than playing out from the back.Our play lacked patience and we when recieved the ball under pressure we usual lost it.We did one move in the first half where we passed the ball and kept it and the crowd booed.The reason we have some many numpties running junior teams is they forget Mini-Soccer is a kids games, played by kids,for kids.The important ones are the kids.Unfortunately it has been made into a kids game played by kids for the benefit of adults.Some people in Centres of excellence/academies have the same problem where they need their ego massaged.

"Arsenal go abroad for their younger players is that they are already technically gifted"

They have been coached on their individual techniques!A thing we don't do enough overhere because at grass roots level there are not enough good coaches.There are very few well organised youth clubs that spent money and resources on improving their coaches.We are light years behind Italy,Spain and France when it comes to coaching and organization of junior football teams.There are too many people like the one that show you in the FA movie..... at grass roots.The Academies are trying to catch up but there is no organisation at the bottom of the pyramid(training facilities,long hours at school,coaching).It must come from the FA:how many non league clubs have organised youth and junior sectors within their structure? How many silly one football teams with funny names, we have, run by a parent or people not enough qualified?This doesn't happen in other countries.And lets be honest...seeing those kids turning up with their kits,no showering after a muddy game,no proper dug-outs or changing facilities...(well they won't use them)that's outrageous!As i said before pump some of that money into junior clubs and we might reap the benefits.At the moment the way is structured i believe they do better in Nigeria,Cameroun and Malaysia!

[Roons]

I was reading my Spurs programme from the Arsenal game, and both teams had 6 Frenchman each in their team.

[Eastside Urchin]

coach,arsenal are probably the only club in europe who do not look at passports,they coach what they believe.I know you believe in the Italian way,thats fair enough but i believe that Arsene Wenger is actually the finest exponent of modern football i have ever seen,but i also believe that ramos is not far behind,as i was a massive fan of the seville side last season,my only problem with ramos is,does he know the size of the task,what hyas gone before him.I think too many people have overlooked wenger in the past and ramos will not be one of them,although spurs are clearly a bigger force than they were 5 years ago,in my head they are still sh1t until they can compete in every other area!

sorry gaffa but you are papering over the cracks,spurs are and always will be,always have been SH!T

 

 

 

 

NUFF SAID

[Eastside Urchin]

Originally Posted By: Roons

I was reading my Spurs programme from the Arsenal game, and both teams had 6 Frenchman each in their team.

I have the same programme in front of me now,spurs have 8 players in u18's who are english
Arsenal have 7,6 have played for the first team,4 are now on loan,every one is expected to make the grade,maybe 1 from spurs will and thats o'hara who judging by the name is irish?????

[Hookey]

O'Hara is my second cousin and although his grandparents were Irish his parents and he were born in England. Mum and Dad are from Rotherhithe and Jamie was born in Dartford!!!

[Roons]

I was trying to make the point that Spurs have/had as many Frenchman as Arsenal, GAFFA1's logic is poo.

[coach et 64]

Originally Posted By: Roons

I was trying to make the point that Spurs have/had as many Frenchman as Arsenal, GAFFA1's logic is poo.

I'm sorry Roo but you are hiding the fact that you haven't got English players in your starting line up!they are all foreigners while Tottenham has the right balance with at least 4-5 English players playing.Anyway Wenger was mister nobody in France and was only coaching in Japan...I would like to see the poof how long he will survive at Real Madrid,Milan,Inter, Barcelona or Juventus....He has been lucky at Arsenal to inherit a side with the best English defence and they gave him time to develop players.I don't think he would have been given that time at any other club...Ramos is already showing that is better because he walked into a team that was a complete mess and is sorting them out.Wenger hasn't proved himself in Spain or Italy where REAL football is played, so to me it ain't that good.

[Eastside Urchin]

you are missing the point though coach,njo one is talking about now,arsenals future is a hell of a lot more promising than spurs'

their youth set up may chuck out the odd englishman but it is poor compared to arsenals

[coach et 64]

the only thing i see is more and more foreigner players and less English ones.Thanks God, West Ham and Aston Villa still give a chance to some youngsters.You are missing the point UM....I see youth and junior games every week and there is a lot of talent out there that needs to be unhearted and they have got nothing less than a lot of these foreigner players.They only need guidance,proper coaching and patience.The boys are there,we have to give them a chance.

[Hookey]

As a West Ham fan I am very proud of our reputation as the "Academy of Football". The club has produced a number of England internationals over the years and indeed, many of the current squad started out at Chadwell Heath.

 

But, and it's a big but, what has the club ever won?

 

3 x FA Cups and a European Cup Winners Cup, oh and of course the World Cup in '66 ... However, Jack Sh1t since 1980!!!!!

 

We are fed up producing your Ferdinands, Lampards, Coles, Carricks, Defoes etc, only to see them f**k off to bigger clubs.

 

But you know what, I'd rather win Jack Sh1t with a team littered with home produced players than buy in titles with foreign players. When West Ham won the FA Cup in 1964 & 1975 every single player was English. When we won it in 1980, there was only one non English player in the team, and he was scottish, Ray "Tonka" Stewart.

 

That does not mean we don't love a good foreigner at Upton Park, Paolo Di Canio and Carlos Tevez will always be treated like Gods!!!!

 

It's about balance, a quota is a good idea but sadly I cannot see it being workable!

[Eastside Urchin]

coach,have you seen the arsenal academy lately,you shouldn't comment on things you don't know.Yes,they have foreign players coming through but the majority of players like randall,gibbs,smith and many others are english.

Wenger said two years ago that in 5 years time they would have a very good crop of youngsters breaking into the first team and if you looked at englands team the other night cole and bentley came through the youth system at arsenal and joe cole was there before going to west ham as his parents decided west ham was better for him(probably because they offered them more money) cole and bentley left arsenal because one is a greedy git and the other didn't want to wait to get in the first team when wenger told him he would.

[coach et 64]

i just get the impression that Wenger doesn't rate English players.All these foreigners managers,most of the times,look for players from their own countries because they don't know well the local network.It's just a matter of nursing them through and believe in them.The English players when the chips are down,give you that little bit extra,especially if they are home grown players.Class foreigner players are always welcome(Bergkamp,Cantona,Zola,Klinsmann etc)but there are a lot of average ones.

[Eastside Urchin]

there are not many average ones at arsenal,the ones that are are usually better than your average english player.

Fact of the matter is that wenger doesn't rate too many english players,but nor do i and many others as they tend to not work as hard,have crap diets,drink too much etc etc.

Look at when wenger took over at arsenal,players like dixon,keown,adams,winterburn all became better players and they will admit that their careers were prolonged due to his training,dietary methods and the fact that they all pretty much stopped drinking.English players nowadays still have the old pub mentality and are not prepared to give that extra 5% needed to be a world class player,only few can be ar$ed,they are happy to take the fame and the big bucks though

[coach et 64]

the young players that are at the Academies are not like that and given the chance i'm sure many of them can prove you wrong.The problem lies with the foreigner managers.They buy Spanish if they are Spanish,French,etc.Too many cheap imports,that's all.