I question for Arsenal/ England fans

[Kaiser Jnr]

Im not going to say a lot, so ill keep it short and sweet.

 

Totally agree with Trenks. English footballers arent' good enough.

 

We (English) have too high expectations, and we think we should do better cause our league is so great.

 

Stat... Only 38% of the footballers in England are English. That is poor.

[Jerry No.14]

Foreign clubs need the cash so we can buy on the cheap.

 

We don't need to sell, so all players transfer values are over inflated.

 

English football is just experiencing a poor generation and this happens in every country.

 

France, Holland, Russia, Russia, Brazil, Italy, England & Spain.

These nations have all had moments in history where they have developed consitent quality.

 

All have of late experienced a down turn in real world class players.

 

eg.

 

Zidane - Ribery

 

Klinsmann - Klos

 

Gascgoine - Lampard

 

Baggio - Totti

 

Raul - Villa

 

Mostovoi - Kherzakov?

 

Ronaldo - Fabiano

 

Schmeichel - Sorenson

 

Micheal Laudrup - Jesper Gronkjaer

 

Batistuta - Messi

 

Steve Portaway - Daniel Jones ; )

 

I know i could of used better examples but i am supposed to be working!!!

 

LOL

 

[onebreast]

JJ i would agree even being an Arsenal fan i wouldnt mind there being a rule saying you must have some english players in the team , but i would just hope that teams will start getting realistic over prices of players

 

Darren Bent Charlton to Spurs 16m

Thierry Henry Arsenal to Barca 16m

 

That says it all for me

[Jerry No.14]

Darren Bent is quality and i never rated Thierry Henry!!

 

lol

[Silencer]

Yeah mate......thats why football is spiralling out of control!

 

I think it`s got to the point now that too much money is involved, maybe like the lower leagues, a cap should be introdcued based on wages being a percentage of the clubs revenue!

 

Players/Agents etc are earning too much money, there should be some kind of cap on this!

 

Internationally, England are suffering big time! We are actually poo!

[coach et 64]

Sorry about lads but your national squad isn't poo.There is English talent but most clubs,even the smaller ones,prefer to sign an average cheaper foreigner player rather than giving a chance to the English youngsters.Sooner rather than later it will have to stop.Questions should be also asked to people running Academies or Centres of Excellence to see if they are doing the right things,coaching wise.I refuse to think that there are 300 foreigner World class players,cut that in half and you'll make room for the youth English talent.Having said that,Fabio will sort them out,don't you worry about it.If some of those guys,are not prepared to sweat blood for that shirt,they will soon find out what he is all about...

[T.A.F.K.A.M 9]

Bottom line Arsenal produced more players on the field last night than other club except west ham, both had two it's all well and good tottenham buying english players but how many have brought into the game recently, i can only think of Ledley King and plays less than Theo

[Jenko]

JJ I agree with most of what you say but a quota system will not improve things.

 

English players are technically not good enough and thier attitudes/lifestyles are terrible. Too much money!

 

Food for thought: English Managers/Coaches/Players working abroad in the top leagues = 0!

[GAFFA1]

at least ledley made the squad he had to pull out because he cant play to many games at the mo we got to nurse him slowly, any way you can not take the credit for any player on show last night for England apart from Ashley Cole because those players left ur team when they weren’t good enough and other managers have developed them.

 

i understand that English players cost more but the reason they cost more is not because they are better than the foreigners its because there ant many world class English players but there are a few who could if given an opportunity and im not having we ant got time to develop them because mr wenger has spent years developing foreigners look at some one like sendores he has been at arsenal for years is he better than Matthew Upson I don’t think so, the reason wenger don’t have English players is because your whole team talk French and I know that for a facts because that was one of the reasons and of course he left for more money that Ashley Cole left because in the changing rooms the whole team spoke French and that is very sad im not knocking arsenal because some fans don’t care where there from has long has they win, but if that’s the case you might as well support a French team because your team has to reflects the country ur playing in.

 

 

[Talk_Is_Cheap]

I personally think the problem with English football runs deeper than we like to admit and there need to be some magor changes.

 

Look at the most successful international side of all time, Brazil, they have played in every single world cup I believe and won it the most too.

 

Now maybe by default they have the best youth/breeding ground for their players in the world. Yes most of there national side play in Europe, but they all started in the Brazilian national league.

 

Because they then have to more to Europe for the "Big Money" it allows the next batch of Brazilian youngsters to progress into the national league and gain first team experience and learn their trade.

 

While the players who have left for Europe are now adding to their game and learning the football skills and tactics of other cultures.

 

This cycle then repeats itself and therefore creates the perfect youth set up..!!

[JP21]

Another boring view:

 

Firstly, how any Spurs fan can call themselves a great club and Arsenal not is quite a joke. If it wasn't for Newcastle, Spurs would be the circus of the Premier League. And that's from an Orient fan, so I'm used to [****!!****].

 

Arsenal are, in my opinion, the greatest footballing team in the world. The Premiership is easy to turn off when it's on the box, but when Arsenal are on they are always a joy to watch.

 

I would love to see the Lampards, Cole's (both of them), Rooney's etc going abroad and adding to their game, I think it would massively aid the National Team as they would be a)increasing their own performances and allowing your Bentley's, Agbonlahor's, Joe Harts, David Wheater's of the game to play regular Premiership football.

At the same time would love to see our coaches do the same. We should have a mentoring management system, where Capello (let's face it, he earns enough!) can invite people like Boothroyd, Tilson, Martin Ling etc into the camp to see how it's done, that way we have a line of future England Managers. I'm sure any of those mentioned would be more than happy to get involved.

 

Lastly, GAFFA, I will sponsor you £50 to go 3 months without posting about Spurs, cheers.

 

 

[JP21]

Annoying timing, TIC!

[GAFFA1]

Sorry mate i just can’t accept ur great offer spurs are on there way to Wembley spurs are goner do it again.

 

Look if arsenal are the best team in the world why have they not one the champions league, and when was the last time they won anything 2004/05 season.

 

the facts is English football is shiit and the reason i say that is when Henry played here people said he was the best in the world make me laugh he is just another player in spain how many player from the english leagues would walk into the big teams there are a few the Rooney’s, Gerrard and etc but just like everyone we over hype the prem league win in needs to look at spain where there are at least 6-7 decent teams apart from man u, and Chelsea every team in the prem are average.

 

 

[Jenko]

Our managers/coaches/players are not good enough to go abroad to the top leagues! We are years behind.

 

When was the last time we had coaches and players plying their trade abroad? The mid 80's? Linekar, Venables, Hughes, Rush, Robson....When that starts to happen again then maybe we would be a decent national side again! Balming Arsenal the foreign players is too easy.

 

As I have pointed out before compare the top English Division and the national side when Taylor was England manager and there were hardly any foreigners over here. Then compare the last few years when we have the most foreigners in the top league and the national side. When were better? Under Taylor with the likes of Geoff Thomas, Charlton Palmer, Gordon Cowens, Steve Hodge or under Erikson with Rooney, Gerrard, Beckham, Terry, Owen, Cole etc?

 

The English players coming through now may be fewer but the quality is better. A quota on foreign players would breed mediocrity. When has the nation ever been as optimistic that we would win the World or European cup then in the last 8 years? Why? Because we have better quality players and that has been influeneced by the foreign players. In the 70's and 80's we had no foreign players and England were crap!

 

There are deep rooted problems and people are making excuses! We are not good enough because of a systamtic breakdown of the game in England. Money, fame, WAGS, poor attitudes and lifestyles etc are too blame not foreign managers/players When we realise and except that we may improve!

 

 

[JP21]

Originally Posted By: GAFFA1

Look if arsenal are the best team in the world why have they not one the champions league, and when was the last time they won anything 2004/05 season.

They aren't. But they are the best footballing side in the world, totally different thing.

[GAFFA1]

hold on a min so your saying they are the best football team just proves what is wrong with this country do u watch Spanish or south American football, mate there is much better football being played in a lot more countries then England that is the reason why England will never win anything because u say that Arsenal play the best football but don’t win anything what a joke I would rather win a cup than boast that my team play the best u make me laugh.

 

jenks i agree with what ur saying mate English players should go abroad so they can learn from the best, its only this country we take a foreigner and make him good because he could not cut it in his own country then there national team benefits how many players from England do that, and look the best manager to ever manager over here is Scottish just sums it up really.

 

 

[coach et 64]

Originally Posted By: Talk_Is_Cheap

I personally think the problem with English football runs deeper than we like to admit and there need to be some magor changes.

Look at the most successful international side of all time, Brazil, they have played in every single world cup I believe and won it the most too.

Now maybe by default they have the best youth/breeding ground for their players in the world. Yes most of there national side play in Europe, but they all started in the Brazilian national league.

Because they then have to more to Europe for the "Big Money" it allows the next batch of Brazilian youngsters to progress into the national league and gain first team experience and learn their trade.

While the players who have left for Europe are now adding to their game and learning the football skills and tactics of other cultures.

This cycle then repeats itself and therefore creates the perfect youth set up..!!

And happens in France as well! :)The winning formula is:less cheap average foreigners and more English youth talent.Feck those ridicolous [****!!****] that run those farcical Coaching courses and raise the coaching standards at the Academies but more important at grass roots level where i see so many talented 8-10 years old kids who are told to get rid of the ball and are asked to run doggies like fecking lunatics!! that's the problem!organized youth sectors at the bottom of the pyramid where everybody has started his first kicks!

[JP21]

Originally Posted By: GAFFA1

hold on a min so your saying they are the best football team just proves what is wrong with this country do u watch Spanish or south American football, mate there is much better football being played in a lot more countries then England that is the reason why England will never win anything because u say that Arsenal play the best football but dont win anything what a joke I would rather win a cup than boast that my team play the best u make me laugh.

After working out what you are on about, don't forget I'm not an Arsenal fan. So I really don't care if they win things or not, but I really enjoy watching them play. I think saying they 'don't win anything' is harsh really, I think Wenger has been very successful with them, and I believe he's also won alot more during his tenure than Spurs have in that time? Don't be blinded just because your a Spurs fan.

[Roons]

Gaffa1 = boring

[blanchflower]

Originally Posted By: JP21

Originally Posted By: GAFFA1

Look if arsenal are the best team in the world why have they not one the champions league, and when was the last time they won anything 2004/05 season.

They aren't. But they are the best footballing side in the world, totally different thing.

have you not seen bowers play for a while?