Pay Rise

[Halifax Lass]

 

 

From next season top referees are getting a pay increase of £15,000 taking salaries up to £70,000. This is to encourage them to consider being a referee a full time career and cut down on outside work. On top of that the current match fee is £525 in the Premiership and £220 in the Nationwide. Does anyone think they'll be any better after their pay increase?!!!

 

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[The Invisible Man]

Blimey, do you mean they will get 70k PLUS a match fee of £525 every time they tread the turf? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

 

Where do you apply??

[pabird]

You must first have a degree in the non-athletic participation sports plus have passed the physiology interview that demonstrates your ego refuses to allow any footballer to be noticed more than yourself and finnally you must be blind in one eye

[Rodders]

I think Rodders has found his new career .......How hard can it be ? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[Big J R]

Well Halifax - You've opened a real can of worms with this thread !!!

 

As someone whose 'career' in football was on the administration side, including discipline and control, I share some of your views, but please allow me a few comments.

 

Referee's SHOULD be given a fair amount of the money generated in football for their hard work - HOWEVER, I still believe they should have a fair amount of distance between themselves and the clubs. I'm not sure I subscribe to fully professional referee's that have NO other form of income. This CAN make them more accessable to 'bribary, corruption and influence' from big clubs.

 

To those of you talking about such qualifications such as 'one-eye' etc, (pa bird), I ask, "Have you ever tried it ?" It can be like being in a pub with 22 people deciding it's your turn for a good hiding. Believe me, I know ! You have a split second to make a decision, with the possible help of your two assistants, assuming they are as good and fair as you. Strangely enough, ref's don't have eyes in their backs, though often need them. No benefit of the instant slow-mo replay ten times from different angles. I do however, admit their are one or two weak 'red-card happy' refs in the Premiership, BUT there are also some excelllent refs.

 

I have always said a ref's greatest three qualitities must be fairness, calmness, and above all, A SENSE OF HUMOUR !!

[Rodders]

Nicely put Big JR

 

It is sometimes hard to remember all this when you (a supporter) gets caught up in the passion of a tough game and a decision that to you seems obvious is not given. I have been known to "question" the ref in the past and probably will continue to do so, but I accept all your comments and agree with them.

 

I think sometimes the inconsistency of a referee in a game can really frustrate both players and supporters, again though you have to accept that a Ref is only human.

 

We as supporters have to accept that the ref decision is final and accept that he or his assistance may have got it wrong, everyone makes mistakes. I will try harder in future I promise!

 

This thread does beg the question of some aids for the referee for the premership at least.

There is such a large amount of money involved that a simple did the ball cross the line decision could be the difference between staying up or losing vast sums of money and going down.

If you consider also the FA cup and the possible money spinning ties that lower league teams aspire to can be won or lost on a simple wrong decision

 

 

In the Rugby (sorry to mention the egg chasers on the forum) the referee has such assistance and contact between himself and the other officials.

 

maybe its time to introduce this to football ??? this could also help to avoid the possible bribary that you mentioned when talking about proffessional refs.

 

Obviously this could not work or be possible at the non league level the ETFC currently play at.

 

which asks its own question where would you draw the line ?

 

Another thing I think we could adopt from the egg chasers is discipline of the players, you rarely see the egg chasers surround the ref arguing and swearing at him trying to sway his decision (Man United are renowned for this dsort of behaviour) and the Rugby players are big tough lads, but they on the whole accept the decision with a minium of fuss.

 

I think Players at ALL levels of football could take this on board

 

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Cheers

Rodders <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

 

 

 

[Ofiicial]

you won't get any resistance from me BJR...we've had some bad ones this year but we've also had some belters as well.....

 

we must of course always remember that we all judge refs by their ability to give our team all the decisions......

 

best example was against Gt Wakering where the ref sent virtually their whole team off during and after the game and allowed us to play until we scored the winning goal in the 99 minute.....he was probably the worst ref we've had down there but we thought he was.....GREAT.................

 

nope....on balance we've been very.....very... fortunate this year and I love all of 'em...

 

easily worth the few 'undred quid we bunged 'em.....he he...

[Big J R]

Well said Rodders !

 

I think that time is coming fast, and probably the best way to advance.

 

Just to add to my previous comments regarding a refs quality. I well remember officiating at a 'Sunday' match where it became obvious that two players, one from either side had a big needle going on between them. Eventually, with a smile on my face, I sent all players to one end of the pitch, and took these two aside and explained that I didn't want to book or send off, as it entailed paperwork and would mar their future in football and cost them money. I pointed out that they were there to play football and not settle old scores.

 

The end result ? A good game and we all ended up in the pub later ! Best of friends !

[Rodders]

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we must of course always remember that we all judge refs by their ability to give our team all the decisions......

This is very true, however you can appreciate a ref on a good decision or how he handles a situation even if it does go against your side.

I am sure that we have all at some stage shouted OY REF NO!! (or words similar that I can not put on the forum) but in truth we know he made the correct decision

I think if you come away from a game and can't really remember the Ref for any particular instance then he has had a good game.


A couple of times on the ETFC forum a ref has responded to a thread about a particular game and its great to hear their points of view.

It would be nice if this happened more often, although in reality it is very open to abuse etc.

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[Halifax Lass]

 

 

More useless information on referees......... Egg chasers, I can only talk about league in my part of the world!! Refs in Super League are on £300 a match.

 

Cricket is another thing especially when you reach the dizzy heights of International Panel ... £1,100 per DAY for Test Matches plus the chance to travel the globe!!!

 

You know what to do now Rodders!

 

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[Tom S]

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Cricket is another thing especially when you reach the dizzy heights of International Panel ... £1,100 per DAY for Test Matches plus the chance to travel the globe!!!

You know what to do now Rodders!

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After all you can't be any worse than Dickie Bird in his last few years - or indeed some of the clowns on the current panel

[Rodders]

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Cricket is another thing especially when you reach the dizzy heights of International Panel ... £1,100 per DAY for Test Matches plus the chance to travel the globe!!!

You know what to do now Rodders!

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Thanks Halifax Lass
Now where do I get an application form ? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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[MK James]

 

Obviously those refs who officiate at the top level get paid a large amount, I would be surprised if referees at Ryman League level get much more than £75 a game plus expenses. That sounds a lot, but compared to players wages it's not-even at this level( Vinnie John etc.)

 

And it takes years to get to that level- a friend of mine has just been promoted next season to the South Midlands League, but he expects his first season to consist of a lot of 'assistant' duties (linesman). This will be his 4th season. Luckily for him he's only 24 so he's plenty time on his side

[The Invisible Man]

Your friend is doing very well to get that far in only 4 years.

 

One definition of a football supporter is someone with no training in the Laws of the Game but who has a better view of an incident fron 100 yards than the referee from 10 yards.

 

I only dabbled some 10 years ago, I did the course and officiated in local years for about 3 years. I also ran the line in the Essex and Herts. This did however give me a bit of an insight into what it is all about, and I agree with the comments above, it is so easy to criticise. TV and radio pundits really pee me off with their constant carping about refereeing when it is perfectly obvious that they know nothing about it.

 

Having said that, there is some questionable refereeing (and assitant reffing) in our league, but without the refs, there would be no game at all. On balance they will right more often than the supporters. Lots more.

[MK James]

 

Agreed. He referees North Bucks League this season which is pretty much Sunday standard (just played on Saturday) which he's been doing for last 2 years, still does plenty of youth matches. He just makes himself available for everything that comes up, that sort of attitude does't go unnoticed.

 

Funnily enough he's also a diehard Cobblers fan and he gives the officials unbelievable stick when they make(in his eyes) bad decisions!

 

Tv/Radio Critics- the worst are the ex-pros who should know better, usually the commentaters are fair in their appraisal of the referee. It also riles me when you read/hear managers comments after the game when they will quicker fault an official for an offside, or a penalty decision, or a red-card incident blah blah blah, rather than admit that perhaps they and their team hadn't done their own job properly.

[Slartibartfast]

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Obviously those refs who officiate at the top level get paid a large amount, I would be surprised if referees at Ryman League level get much more than £75 a game plus expenses. That sounds a lot, but compared to players wages it's not-even at this level

Once you take into account the cost of eye tests at Boots, kennomeat for the labrador and private health care ( removing whistle from rectum) its hardly worth doing it.

[pabird]

Agree with some of what you are saying but I would think we should examine the problem from different angles

The game is quicker, the ball travels faster and with less down time breaks since the goalkeeper rulings and the non-league players are increasingly recruited from the full time ranks

None of the above relates to change in how ref!s are recruited or trained

Still we have the 11S,U18S Sunday league etc etc progression how!ever that is achieved

Still we have the boy scout attitudes from non athletic non ball playing types who run out all in black

Now obviously that is marginally over the top

There is sufficient evidence to suggest that change is required and I would suggest the non-league blazers consider a Ref training course that includes where do we recruit from?, How do we fast track the qualification period?.

But first of all the blazers must realise that a problem does exist that will not be overcome by one or two day seminars

Recruitment,training, work experience and retention