Iraq

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Right. This war.

 

I'm sick of reading all these do-gooder, bleeding heart comments being stuck on here.

 

Thornsy and GHA to name but two, go bleating on about oil, and that being the only reason we're attacking Iraq. Oil? Iraq has less than 2.5% of the world's oil. Where's the oil in Kosovo? Where's the oil in Afghanistan?? We've been involved in both those places in the last five years. Get this into your head. THIS WAR IS NOT ABOUT OIL.

 

Saddam Hussein has killed over one million of his own people during his reign. That's one million, GHA. That's ONE MILLION, Thornsy. And you call George Bush a madman? Grow up.

 

People bang on about how we should be talking to him etc. You having a laugh? You cannot reason with a man who is capable of murdering over one million of his own people.

 

Saddam Hussein is a major threat to the world. His chemical and biological weapons will be found. He would not think twice about supplying to terrorists. Proof? We don't need proof. The proof is in the previous paragraphs.

 

Listening to the naive and idealistic comments on these forums, and watching those hippies on TV with their placards, makes me despair. It's an old cliche, but nonetheless relevant, that people have fought wars and died for the freedom you enjoy now.

 

No doubt the usual suspects will come on here and try to oppose everything I've written. And in most arguments, there can be a case for alternative opinions. Not in this one. The people opposed to this war are wrong. History will prove that.

 

 

[ESG]

yeah but...

 

Dont Beat About The Bush

By Sam Eagle

Date: 18/3/2003

George W Bush gave an address to the American people at 1am GMT. That address was that of Saddam Hussein's house in Baghdad and he urged the Americans to go round and duff him up, find out the real reason why, in an Ugly exclusive.

 

Bush started his speech on the offensive and in a voice that sometimes quavered but stayed resolute he accused Saddam of "Spilling His Pint".

 

This as many of our readers know is a heinious crime and the fact that Bush gave this accussation at 1am the traditional British time for this accussation was not lost on the UK journalists present.

 

This was a great honour to the UK and it showed that Tony Blair is obviously considered a great ally as the US is prepared to start an "Off" the British way.

 

Bush continued that as a man of honour he was prepared to give Saddam one last chance, if the Iraqi dictator bought him another one within the next 48 hours then war would be averted,

 

However reports from Baghdad show Saddam to be defiant, quoted from an ale house on the outskirts of the City he had this to say.

 

"Yeah him and whose army, it wasnt anywhere near a full pint anyway at best it was only a quarter, and he dropped it himself anyway, if he cant hold his ale then he shouldnt be in here were are the bouncers when you need em" UN officials still hope to try and broker a peace and are hopeful that Bush can be persuaded to accept a half of Lager and shake hands But that deal looks remote with Bush unlikely to accept and Saddam with his reputation for avoiding his round being even more of a long shot to shell out even for a half.

 

So the next 48 hours are crucial, Bush in the words of an onlooker is "Spoiling for it" and even if Saddam complies with United Nations resolution 56 A paragraph C and buys Bush a half its sure not to be the end of the matter, in fact Bush muttered something to Colin Powell which was later transcribed as "He was definately looking at her Colin" and the aide to Bush was seen to be restrained as he screamed "You looking at my bird Hussein".

 

Several aides intervened with words of "Leave it Colin he aint worth it"

 

To avoid confrontation UN security door staff are hoping that the Iraqi can be persuaded to leave quietly by a back door without Bush noticing, a spokesman for them said "He (Bush) is always in here causing trouble, he's got a big gang and they intimidate everyone we are at a loss what to do about him really" .

 

PEACE OUT

[CANV EFM]

this baby looks to be heading towards being a proper war.. mm lets see who has the bollox for this one

[Laz]

Count me in! I'm just waiting for GHA to add something.

[CANV EFM]

stereotypical tho this is.. i find the women on sky etc talking about war as annoying as women on sky etc talking about football.. no real knowledge of the subject.. surely a sound grounding in 'top trumps' is essential to any war reporter?..

seriously tho there is some shocking crap on the 24 hour news channels .. i just listened to the woman on sky saying ' apparently ' the B52 is called a 'stratofortress' and it was designed in the 40's anf built in the 50's!! like this was some amazing piece of new news.. she probably thought it was named after the cocktail!!

 

(disclaimer) please address all anti sexist comments to C. Zeal he is the moderator..

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Yep! All anti-sexist comments will be read, laughed at, ridiculed and then ignored by yours truly!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

 

 

[ESG]

fiona phillips on gm.tv is quality...

 

 

[AFF]

Hmmmn. Hi CZ.

 

I was very tempted to put a posting on here this morning and then thought better of it. However your ridiculous tirade at the start of this thread has moved me.

 

When Tone wakes up in the morning, the first thing he does is read the words of Littlejohn and makes a note to remember him in the next honours list. The second thing he does is look on here to see how the real world thinks.

 

Well, Tone. before you start celebrating the overwhelming vote of confidence as evidenced by the poll in the Guardian that suggests that 56% [sic] of Britain is in favour of this war, wait a moment.

 

Anyone who answers the question "Are you in favour of this war" is as stupid as the person who asks it.

 

Did I believe that there was just cause for this war? No. Looking back, do I now believe that there was just cause? No. However, we are now in it. Do I want a quick victory with as few deaths as possible? Of course. Do I support the Allied forces in the field ? Yes, of course.

 

Do I think that Bush and Blair have screwed up? Absolutely.

 

Am I alone? I don't think so.

 

Oh, by the way Tone. Your comment in your speech to the House yesterday. "Saddam has mined the oilwells. Deep mines at that." Did you catch the response on the ITV news at 7.00. Some reporter who was with the first wave of troops at the Ramada oilfield [which produces 60% of Iraq's oil] said "I don't know who is briefing Mr Blair, but those oilfields were not mined".

 

Anyway Zealster.

 

I don't know the 'do gooder bleeding heart comments' to which you refer. For me, I have been intrigued at the marked lack of comment on here since war began. On thing is for sure. the old adage "Truth is the first casualty of war" has never been better demonstrated by the garbage issued by the MoD and the spin doctors via the British media.

[Chubbhead EFM]

I did put something else here about CANV's remark but I had to ask myself was their any point in arguing. I would have liked to respond but seeing as I'm outnumberd on here there's not much point. I give up, and I'm gonna go have a sex change and call myself Dave!

[Chubbhead EFM]

Actually, I've changed my mind-I'll stick with my lady-bits <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

[Chubbhead EFM]

Anyway, back to the subject(kind of). I don't think George W. Bush appreciates the British contribution. On the telly whenever he makes a speech he doesn't ackowledge our troops and there's been no apology for that so-called Friendly Fire incident with the Hurricane aeroplane. I think that's the thing that grates most about America- they are obsessed with themselves and seem to ignore other countries, even when ewe're helping them.

[GHA EFM]

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Hurricane aeroplane

How are the Spitfires faring?

I may be stupidly wrong, but don't you mean the Tornado fighter, Chubbhead?

[Chubbhead EFM]

Hurricane/Tornado-same thing really!

 

Although, I do know that

they're definitley NOT named after a cocktail ( <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> to canv!)

 

At this stage I'd like to point out that just because I don't know the names of aeroplanes doesn't mean my points aren't valid or I'm not allowed to comment. May I also point out I was eating my dinner and watching telly at the same time as making that post so my attentin was somewhat distracted <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

 

[The Invisible Man]

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Hurricane aeroplane

How are the Spitfires faring?

I may be stupidly wrong, but don't you mean the Tornado fighter, Chubbhead?

I understood it was the bomber variant.

Just to be pedantic.

[Rob_the_Saint]

And there was I thinking it was only men who can't do more than one or two things at the same time (so I am told by a woman who shall remain nameless <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />). Do you eat with your toes Chubb, so you can type messages on here at the same time? (just interested <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />)

 

Anyway, what was I going to say? Oh yes, that bit about 56% of Grauniad readers are in favour or somesuch; well, probably at least 56% of the general public are stupid anyway and who's opinions are not worth a carrot so the real figure should be 44% (or less) of reasonably knowledgable people x 56% which is only about 25% if my maths are correct.

 

P.S. Glance to your left, you'll see I've joined the 2000 club. And nobody noticed, not even me!

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

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Right. This war.

I'm sick of reading all these do-gooder, bleeding heart comments being stuck on here.

Thornsy and GHA to name but two, go bleating on about oil, and that being the only reason we're attacking Iraq. Oil? Iraq has less than 2.5% of the world's oil. Where's the oil in Kosovo? Where's the oil in Afghanistan?? We've been involved in both those places in the last five years. Get this into your head. THIS WAR IS NOT ABOUT OIL.



Saddam Hussein has killed over one million of his own people during his reign. That's one million, GHA. That's ONE MILLION, Thornsy. And you call George Bush a madman? Grow up.

The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says: 'The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'

People bang on about how we should be talking to him etc. You having a laugh? You cannot reason with a man who is capable of murdering over one million of his own people.

Agreed but shouldn't we of tried. George Bush has murdered plenty of his own people as as we speak are tourturing many at Guantanamo Bay . There are 100's of administrations in this world who murder their own people, why aren't we trying to do anything in Zimbabwe?.

Saddam Hussein is a major threat to the world. His chemical and biological weapons will be found. He would not think twice about supplying to terrorists. Proof? We don't need proof. The proof is in the previous paragraphs.

If he has such a stockpile of chemicl and biological weapons why have we a) not found them has he used them already on us. Have you seen the Iraq army it's pathetic. We have enough intelligance in this country to know he was injured last week, but not enough to find these so-called stockpiles. Proof? - yes we do need proof, the word of the madman in the white house isn't enough

Listening to the naive and idealistic comments on these forums, and watching those hippies on TV with their placards, makes me despair. It's an old cliche, but nonetheless relevant, that people have fought wars and died for the freedom you enjoy now.

I'm fully aware of this CZ, don't f****n patronise people, There are plenty of war hero's who fought just wars for our freedom, this ISN'T a just war - And it's not all hippies and naive people, if you ask any of your friends they think your making a fool of yourself with your pro-war comments, you are misinformed, like someone said in another thread try reading a broadband of publications you may find yourself a little more clued up on the subject and try not to base your life on the Gospel of Littlejohn. Now i may not be the most articulate person on this board (as you like to tell me when your arguments are starting to sound like the rantings of a misinformed baboon, you turn it into a personal attack on me - very low, stand up and debate for what you beleive in), but I know what i'm talking about and your ignorance astounds me!

No doubt the usual suspects will come on here and try to oppose everything I've written. And in most arguments, there can be a case for alternative opinions. Not in this one. The people opposed to this war are wrong. History will prove that.

You sound like Mr Bush here - I am right you are wrong! Bollox, you are wrong Zeal and history will indeed prove this.

[AFF]

And another thing.

 

On the early morning T.V. this morning, that good loking, dark haired, babe.......oops, sorry Chubb......that BBC/ITV newsreaderperson announced that Tone is flying to the USofA today for a meeting with Dubbya. She said that one item on the agenda is that Tone will try to persuade Bush that, rather than a U.S. Military Consul taking control of Iraq following the defeat of Saddam, the country should be handed over to the control of the U.N.

 

"What?", I whispered at the T.V. [it was early in the morning] "Run that by me again." I don't have interactive T.V. so it didn't.

 

So. Two points.

 

1. I'm sure that when the war started, Bush announced in his address to the nation that Iraq would be handed over to the U.N. who would supervise it's return to the Iraqi people. Or it might have been Blair. That speech prompted me to put a message on here to the effect that "We aren't interested in your support, criticism, or any member of your stoopid little club, but when we have made a bit of a mess of this country, just to show that we are guys in white hats, we will let you clear it up".

 

2. Perhaps I am wrong on that one. If so, it would seem that the two lunatics started this war without having agreed in advance a couple of minor details such as what is to be done with the country after the glorious victory.

 

P.S. to Chubbhead.

 

You're right, Chubb. It doesn't matter whether it was a Tornado, Hurricane or Sopwith Camel, but I think you will find that the U.S. Military and the Bush Administration have issued a formal apology. Sad but true, these things happen in war. It's a horrible, messy business.

 

P.P.S. to EFMTFTV.

 

Well said.

 

 

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Grow up, Thornsy.

 

Your problem is, you love a good conspiracy theory. I remember you coming on here about 12 months ago, claiming to be Colin Powell, and insisting that the United States arranged for September 11th to happen, just so they could start a war on Afghanistan.

 

Excuse me if I don't take too much notice of the crap you write then.

 

 

[FleetFanatic]

Personally, I can't help thinking that we should withdraw ALL our troops.

 

Then nuke the whole of the middle east.

 

Let's face it - there will always be another madman out there.

21 out 22 arab states declaring our action illegal says it all.

 

Some what extreme, but cheaper in the long run.

After about 25 years the oil would be available!

 

 

[GHA EFM]

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Grow up, Thornsy.

Your problem is, you love a good conspiracy theory.
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Excuse me if I don't take too much notice of the crap you write then.

Once again, Zeal, the argument is completely ignored. I made this point in a thread minutes ago.

*G*H*A*