Brentford

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Liam must be a rare breed. Most Managers/Coaches, are as, if not more egotistical than their players. It seems strange Liam is going to allow people to tell him which team to pick, when any player that appears to disagree with him, moves on!

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: Friejose

Not to let the facts get in the way of your argument or anything, but I think you're projecting your beliefs onto Liam. Every public utterance he has made about MyFC, including "pick the team," has been positive. Now maybe you can chalk that up to not wanting to anger the new owners, but when I've spoken to him personally (admittedly for short periods and only a couple of times), he has also been supportive of the concept. You can probably write that off too, seeing as I'm a moonie and all, but just thought it'd be useful to point that out.

The facts? Seriously - what do you know about the facts?
The big MyFC thing of "own the team, pick the team" is completely flawed by one obvious concept - 25,000 people can vote on player selection without having seen these players actually play!
I am fully aware there are calls for a "Let Liam pick the side" option, and until the sheeple of MyFC get the opportunity (live or via some broadcast) to see the team play ,this should be their ONLY option.
Do you honestly think that anyone, yourslf included, could do a job to a decent standard, if being told what tools to use by a collection of random people who have no idea what your job actually involves?

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: Friejose

Originally Posted By: PatMan

However, the instant he is forced to comply with the wishes of 25,000 keyboard warriors regards who he signs and plays, if they dont match his own plans, he will be off.

Not to let the facts get in the way of your argument or anything, but I think you're projecting your beliefs onto Liam. Every public utterance he has made about MyFC, including "pick the team," has been positive. Now maybe you can chalk that up to not wanting to anger the new owners, but when I've spoken to him personally (admittedly for short periods and only a couple of times), he has also been supportive of the concept. You can probably write that off too, seeing as I'm a moonie and all, but just thought it'd be useful to point that out.

what's a moonie...?

[Friejose]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

Do you honestly think that anyone, yourslf included, could do a job to a decent standard, if being told what tools to use by a collection of random people who have no idea what your job actually involves?

But that wasn't the point of your first post as I read it. Your point was that Liam thinks the idea is bad, and so will bolt at the first chance he gets. You gave no facts to support this opinion of yours. My point was that the evidence we have is that Liam is open-minded about letting MyFC members pick the team, and that he is not looking to leave at the first opportunuty. Whatever ever I think of "pick the team," and whatever you think of it, is irrelevant to what Liam thinks about it.

Pat, I get that you hate the idea and think it's incredibly daft. I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just trying to point out that not everyone agrees with you, and it appears that Liam is one of the people who disagrees with you. What you would do in Liam's position is sort of irrelevant to what Liam will do, unless you know something we all don't.

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: Friejose

What you would do in Liam's position is sort of irrelevant to what Liam will do, unless you know something we all don't.

would have to say josh that if we all go by the history of what english football managers do when interfered with .....he may just be right.....I have had involvement with many managers at all levels and do not know one that would allow anyone to interfere with his team selection.....

(god knows I have tried hard enough )

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: Friejose

But that wasn't the point of your first post as I read it.

So, its fine to criticise me because you misread something?

Originally Posted By: Friejose

Your point was that Liam thinks the idea is bad, and so will bolt at the first chance he gets.

My point was that IF he cannot pick his own team, he wont stay

Originally Posted By: Friejose

You gave no facts to support this opinion of yours. My point was that the evidence we have is that Liam is open-minded about letting MyFC members pick the team, and that he is not looking to leave at the first opportunuty.

I NEVER mentioned first opportunity. If you read my first post, you will se that I think Liam would be foolish to leave straight away

Originally Posted By: Friejose

Whatever ever I think of "pick the team," and whatever you think of it, is irrelevant to what Liam thinks about it.

But this is a forum, we ARE allowed to put down what we think of it

Originally Posted By: Friejose

Pat, I get that you hate the idea and think it's incredibly daft.

At last we agree

Originally Posted By: Friejose

I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just trying to point out that not everyone agrees with you, and it appears that Liam is one of the people who disagrees with you.

Appears? Great use of that word. None of us KNOW what he thinks

Originally Posted By: Friejose

What you would do in Liam's position is sort of irrelevant to what Liam will do, unless you know something we all don't.

You still haven't quite worked out the idea of a forum, have you?
So, from the dictionary it is: A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.

[Friejose]

You have the right to say whatever you want on the forum, and I have a right to point out its flaws. And vice versa.

 

I expect criticism of my posts here; heck, that's half the reason I post here, to see how people will eviscerate my argument. I'm using this medium to openly discuss the ideas you raise, which, in this case, I happen to think are ill-informed and wrong.

 

If a forum was defined as "a place where PatMan's pronouncements from on high must not be questioned or challenged," I could understand your post a little better. Does it say that in the dictionary anywhere?

 

Finally, of course I don't know Liam's mind any more than you do. So, I go upon his public statements and his statements to me personally to make a judgment about what he thinks. Isn't that a pretty common way to determine somebody's opinion about something? Isn't that a better way to judge Liam's opinion about MyFC than assuming he must hate it because you do?

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: Friejose

You have the right to say whatever you want on the forum, and I have a right to point out its flaws. And vice versa.

I expect criticism of my posts here; heck, that's half the reason I post here, to see how people will eviscerate my argument. I'm using this medium to openly discuss the ideas you raise, which, in this case, I happen to think are ill-informed and wrong.

I posted here recently, about the reason some people post - my own reasons included getting a reaction. But would never lower the tone by saying someone was 'ill-informed' just because I didn't agree with them

Originally Posted By: Friejose

If a forum was defined as "a place where PatMan's pronouncements from on high must not be questioned or challenged," I could understand your post a little better. Does it say that in the dictionary anywhere?

You forget to read the small print?
And see my answer above. I expect a response - it seems you don't like me defending my views. Not asking or expecting you to agree with them.

Originally Posted By: Friejose

Finally, of course I don't know Liam's mind any more than you do. So, I go upon his public statements and his statements to me personally to make a judgment about what he thinks. Isn't that a pretty common way to determine somebody's opinion about something? Isn't that a better way to judge Liam's opinion about MyFC than assuming he must hate it because you do?

Hate is a very strong word.
And lets just see how it pans out. Obviously from the fact you manage to ignore it completely, you think that giving 25,000 people the chance to vote and pick the team - a team they haven't even seen - is a great idea?

[Hirsty]

Originally Posted By: Chatham Gary

Here is a clue for LD.
When you are losing at home 0-2, and you do not look like scoring this year, and you have a big strong striker on the bench, YOU BRING HIM ON EARLIER THAN THE 87th MINUTE!!!!!

Paid your £35 & signed up then CG ?

You're not allowed to argue unless you've paid !!

Cheers,

[Trebor1975]

Liam Daish's thought processes: "I don't want to manage a club owned by the fans - I'm off to ... erm, Brentford!"

 

lol

 

At least Brentford's fan-ownership is done on a sensible basis, rather than this lunacy at Ebbsfleet.

[Uncle Urchin]

Originally Posted By: Trebor1975

Liam Daish's thought processes: "I don't want to manage a club owned by the fans - I'm off to ... erm, Brentford!"

lol

At least Brentford's fan-ownership is done on a sensible basis, rather than this lunacy at Ebbsfleet.

stop causing trouble trebbsy...I have been working overtime to keep things calm on here....

good win yesterday by the way...well done...

[Trebor1975]

Maidenhead were amazingly one-dimensional. I don't think Conference North/South has been in existence long enough for any real difference in quality to emerge compared with teams in the Premier Divisions of the feeder leagues - witness teams that go up doing well in Conference North/South while teams that go down seem to struggle. Even Hornchurch might do okay in Conference South!