Do you think...

[Uncle Urchin]

I wonder.....

 

how many of these tyre kicking internet numpties..... that have parted with 35 quid so they can play football manager ....

 

will sue myfc when they don't get what it says on the tin...

 

I am for once quite serious.......

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

So Fleet play on Saturday, the 25,000 sheeple have 48 hours to watch and vote on their decisions, and for these to be collected and verified, and on Tuesday morning the manager gets told what players he will be expected to field that night?

This works does it?

Time will tell.

[Cardomon]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

Originally Posted By: Cardomon

So we need advice ?
Which is ok while everybody trusts the guy giving the advice which they will if things are going ok.
But if the guy giving the good advice moves on ? or confidance is lost ?

What happens when Fleet lose a couple of games? And the sheeple don't have confidence in the manager? Then what? The sheeple completely ignore his suggestions - thats what.
And if the games had been lost to bad referee decisions? Or a dodgy penalty? Or the opposition keeper 'has a blinder?
The "wisdom of the masses" v "those who actually watched the game"

The first part of what you posted is exactly the same as the question I asked, so I don't know.
To my mind that is where a supporters forum could be invaluble. The problem is in my mind that an internet forum (even a fans forum like this, and i talk from experience) is just as likely to contain misinformation. Lets be fair here we've all stood next to a person at games of all levels and wondered what the heck they are talking about.
I do foresee some clever so and so appearing with a load of stats and putting forward an argument that Player A is good if its cold but Player B should play if its muddy, but i also think there are alot of people who are fans of the game and with 24k you should never get extreames.

Wisdom of the masses v those who've been to the game.
I could post many examples where those who've been to the game have been wrong, in some cases very wrong.
Fans calling for Fergie to be sacked in his early years springs to mind.

[PatMan]

Cardomon, don't think because I quoted you, I was arguing - I was just picking up and carrying forward the idea you started.

 

I just dont ever see how a huge amount of people with varying knowledge of the game can be entrusted in selecting the 11 best players.

 

 

And as for the Fergie thing, I think you will probably find the masses were calling for his head as well!

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

And as for the Fergie thing, I think you will probably find the masses were calling for his head as well!

They were and they were probably right at the time too. He only emerged as the main man when Utd had way more money than anyone else.

[Cardomon]

Sorry PatMan. I'm more used to the Pompey Forum, where we still have a major split over whether Harry Redknapp should have been re-employed as manager!!!

[Harry J Allstars]

Re-employed? The guy should be stoned to death, he is satan.

 

"They arrested me to ask me questions about someone else"

 

I believed the Canoe man more.

[PatMan]

Originally Posted By: Cardomon

Sorry PatMan. I'm more used to the Pompey Forum, where we still have a major split over whether Harry Redknapp should have been re-employed as manager!!!

Feck it - if you get fed up of him keeping you 6th in the Premier League, send him packing to W12!

[American FLEET FAN No1]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

Originally Posted By: Cardomon

Sorry PatMan. I'm more used to the Pompey Forum, where we still have a major split over whether Harry Redknapp should have been re-employed as manager!!!

Feck it - if you get fed up of him keeping you 6th in the Premier League, send him packing to W12!

They can just abandon him in Deepest Europe, if/ when he gets them there!

[waggamick]

Originally Posted By: PatMan

Originally Posted By: Cardomon

So we need advice ?
Which is ok while everybody trusts the guy giving the advice which they will if things are going ok.
But if the guy giving the good advice moves on ? or confidance is lost ?

What happens when Fleet lose a couple of games? And the sheeple don't have confidence in the manager? Then what? The sheeple completely ignore his suggestions - thats what.
And if the games had been lost to bad referee decisions? Or a dodgy penalty? Or the opposition keeper 'has a blinder?
The "wisdom of the masses" v "those who actually watched the game"

Patman..you're runnin' outa gas!

Look at what happens now.

What happens when the 'owners' don't have confidence in the manager?
They, as is evident all over the football world, sack him and more often than not, hire someone who has been sacked from somewhere else.
These sackings can often be the product of 'owner-manager' personality clashes or sponsor pressure to retain marquis players despite a manager's criticism...using A-League happenings as examples here.
At least the 'sheeple'...of which most would have experienced losing streaks following their local/national sides and wouldn't panic after losing 'a couple of games'..would be able to ameliorate the personal factor.

Losing to bad refereeing decisions is a lame excuse for defeat at any time. I must confess that I am a ticketed football referee(and basketball,Rugby Union and Rugby League)so my reply is biased. Do you think I might have an 'authority' problem?

Usually a bad decision is not unlike beauty in that it is more often than not 'in the eye of the beholder'. I've made many an error whilst reffing a game. Players will pick you up on it , and if done without malice, I accept it and try to improve my positioning or whatever led to the error for the remainder of the game. I deal with malicious criticism by reminding the player, that, should he play the perfect game then I'll ref the perfect game. Any side I've coached I've emphasised that adverse reffing decisions should be overcome by increased endeavour on the player's/team's behalf.
Once again I would suggest that the average MYFC member would be able to discern unacceptable influence by a biased or incompetent referee.

Access to:
Video streaming via the internet.... have to overcome TV rights, etc;
Even the BBC Kent Radio coverage;
Comprehensive reports from the manager;
Match reports on the MYFC site...and there are plenty already on there and the deal hasn't even gone through yet!
Should all compensate in some way for 'not having actually watched the game'.
Dodgy penalties and excellent goalkeeping usually get standout coverage in any report.

Have a look at any FansFocus site particularly after a club has lost a game.
The post mortems are as diverse as the contributors...and they were all there.
These are long term fans who were at the game and can't agree on which position/role a player had in the game they are watching. They will often clash on their perspective regarding the performance of a particular player or formation.

Ask the manager and they will often have a biased perception of their own selections and tactics so as to justify a defeat.
Sometimes they blame the ref!

Gotta do better than that Patman!
Shower to the sheeple.

[jc]

Originally Posted By: waggamick

Access to:
Video streaming via the internet.... have to overcome TV rights, etc;
Even the BBC Kent Radio coverage;
Comprehensive reports from the manager;
Match reports on the MYFC site...and there are plenty already on there and the deal hasn't even gone through yet!
Should all compensate in some way for 'not having actually watched the game'.

When it comes to deciding authoritatively who should and shouldn't play (with authoritatively being the operative word), the former compensates perhaps to an extent (although only a small extent, unless the matches are streamed in full), but certainly not the latter three. Any opinions derived from match reports etc. can't be formed independently; they are simply a regurgitation of someone else's.

Originally Posted By: PatMan

The "wisdom of the masses" v "those who actually watched the game"

A fine quote - I salute you - the former does seem like it would be a bit of a misnomer in this case.

[John Pearce]

Originally Posted By: waggamick

Originally Posted By: PatMan

Originally Posted By: Cardomon

So we need advice ?
Which is ok while everybody trusts the guy giving the advice which they will if things are going ok.
But if the guy giving the good advice moves on ? or confidance is lost ?

What happens when Fleet lose a couple of games? And the sheeple don't have confidence in the manager? Then what? The sheeple completely ignore his suggestions - thats what.
And if the games had been lost to bad referee decisions? Or a dodgy penalty? Or the opposition keeper 'has a blinder?
The "wisdom of the masses" v "those who actually watched the game"

Look at what happens now.

What happens when the 'owners' don't have confidence in the manager?
They, as is evident all over the football world, sack him and more often than not, hire someone who has been sacked from somewhere else.

So as I understand it what your saying is that if the team are not performing and the fans are unhappy and call for the head of the man running the club....Will Brooks will be sacked?

As I have said somewhere before, get real. How bloody naive and gullable can you get?

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted By: John Pearce

Originally Posted By: waggamick

Originally Posted By: PatMan

Originally Posted By: Cardomon

So we need advice ?
Which is ok while everybody trusts the guy giving the advice which they will if things are going ok.
But if the guy giving the good advice moves on ? or confidance is lost ?

What happens when Fleet lose a couple of games? And the sheeple don't have confidence in the manager? Then what? The sheeple completely ignore his suggestions - thats what.
And if the games had been lost to bad referee decisions? Or a dodgy penalty? Or the opposition keeper 'has a blinder?
The "wisdom of the masses" v "those who actually watched the game"

Look at what happens now.

What happens when the 'owners' don't have confidence in the manager?
They, as is evident all over the football world, sack him and more often than not, hire someone who has been sacked from somewhere else.

So as I understand it what your saying is that if the team are not performing and the fans are unhappy and call for the head of the man running the club....Will Brooks will be sacked?

As I have said somewhere before, get real. How bloody naive and gullable can you get?

Where did he mention anything about sacking Will Brooks?

[doheochai]

Originally Posted By: jc

When it comes to deciding authoritatively who should and shouldn't play (with authoritatively being the operative word), the former compensates perhaps to an extent (although only a small extent, unless the matches are streamed in full),

That is the intention (either live or delayed)

Originally Posted By: jc

Any opinions derived from match reports etc. can't be formed independently; they are simply a regurgitation of someone else's.

Everything related to football is a matter of opinion. Even the manager's team selection is his opinion. I think this is probably the reason Liam Daish is willing to work with MyFC. He will express his opinion and so will others. The reality is that Daish's opinion will carry a lot more weight than that of a member of MyFC giving his views on the previous week's game. But there will be other aspects as well. It appears that 'prozone' will be used and apparently Liam Daish has been impressed by it's use for the Woking game. It appears that something similar will be available to provide information as well. I know very little about prozone so I am interested in seeing how useful it can be.