War Is Imminent

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

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Did you see the programme 'Holidays in the Axis of Evil' last night?

I was championing this program on here a few weeks ago, I saw the whole series it really was a fantastic set of documentaries, I don't know if they are only showing the Iraq one but it's worth watching all of them. They went to North Korea, Syria, Cuba, Iran and Cuba as well (I mean Cuba on the axis of evil, if there was ever a indication that this is just all about personal US grudges then that is it)

What EFM'sL said about Isreal was spot on, In my opinion if the Isreal/Palestine situation gets sorted we will be as near to world peace as we may ever get. Most that will be left would be all the civil wars in Africa, a continent largely forgotten by this new found world governing body, mind you who wants to sort out muderous dictators in poverty striken areas, like GHA said No Oil!

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001.

The blueprint, uncovered by the Sunday Herald, for the creation of a 'global Pax Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

 

The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says: 'The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'

 

The PNAC document supports a 'blueprint for maintaining global US pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests'.

 

This 'American grand strategy' must be advanced for 'as far into the future as possible', the report says. It also calls for the US to 'fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars' as a 'core mission'.

 

The report describes American armed forces abroad as 'the cavalry on the new American frontier'. The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document written by Wolfowitz and Libby that said the US must 'discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role'.

 

The PNAC report also:

 

l refers to key allies such as the UK as 'the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership';

 

l describes peace-keeping missions as 'demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations';

 

l reveals worries in the administration that Europe could rival the USA;

 

l says 'even should Saddam pass from the scene' bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently -- despite domestic opposition in the Gulf regimes to the stationing of US troops -- as 'Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has';

 

l spotlights China for 'regime change' saying 'it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia'. This, it says, may lead to 'American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratisation in China';

 

l calls for the creation of 'US Space Forces', to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent 'enemies' using the internet against the US;

 

l hints that, despite threatening war against Iraq for developing weapons of mass destruction, the US may consider developing biological weapons -- which the nation has banned -- in decades to come. It says: 'New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool';

 

l and pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a 'world-wide command-and-control system'.

 

Tam Dalyell, the Labour MP, father of the House of Commons and one of the leading rebel voices against war with Iraq, said: 'This is garbage from right-wing think-tanks stuffed with chicken-hawks -- men who have never seen the horror of war but are in love with the idea of war. Men like Cheney, who were draft-dodgers in the Vietnam war.

 

'This is a blueprint for US world domination -- a new world order of their making. These are the thought processes of fantasist Americans who want to control the world. I am appalled that a British Labour Prime Minister should have got into bed with a crew which has this moral standing.'

 

[AFF]

No threats to World peace there, then EFMTFTV.

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

Kuiwait has just been hit as we speak!

[GHA EFM]

Kuwait??

 

I don't know much about the subject, but I thought we were supposed to be bombing Iraq??

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

It's been hit by Iraq

[Colin Zeal EFM]

That's odd. I heard he only had the range to hit South Baghdad from North Baghdad. Maybe someone's facts were wrong?

 

 

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

They were launched from the border, they only just reached Kuwait, near where the US troops are!

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

It was well weird, the SKY news bloke was live in Kuwait City when the air raid sirens went off and he had to put a gas mask on to complete the report

[GHA EFM]

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I heard he only had the range to hit South Baghdad from North Baghdad. Maybe someone's facts were wrong?

I think the South Baghdad / North Baghdad thing was slightly tongue in cheek, and was in reference to the fact that the missiles Hussein has can go 183 kms instead of the allowed 150 kms, which (in the overall scheme of things, the greater picture if you will) is [****!!****] all.

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

Although if it meant you could hit Stevenage as well as Hatfield from Surrey then that's a good breach <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

[GHA EFM]

Being able to hit Stevenage and Hatfield from Surrey...that's a justified breach, let alone a good breach! Can you hit Aldershot as well?

 

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[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

From Surry you could.

In fact if we went to central london you could with Saddams "weapons" take out every ryman ground (except maybe Bognor).

Prehaps if we did this and didn't do us we'd win the league by default.

 

I should imagine Leighton would be a bit annoyed as the allowed weapons wouldn't reach them but the evil banned 30k extra ones might

[SteveP]

Aylesbury United destroyed by a scud, music to my ears!!

 

On a slightly more serious note, I really don't care if Saddam has 150 km or 183 km range missiles, my problem is that crazed despot has any at all.

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

But Aylesbury have guns, they'd fight back!

[SteveP]

I love the smell of roast duck in the morning, it smells of victory.

[AFF]

I have been busy in t'office this morning and I haven't heard any news. I read the message concerning a missile attack on Kuwait and mentioned it to someone else here who arrived at the absurdly late hour of 9.30 and had seen some news on T.V.

 

"Yes. It took the Americans by surprise, apparently".

 

"By surprise"? Is that what was said on T.V.?

[Chubbhead EFM]

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Chubb. This will shock you. These people don't always tell the whole truth.

Slightly patronising there AFF. I'm a media and sociology student, I've be taught to never believe anything anyone says in the press/Government! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

[GHA EFM]

Noam Chomsky knows what he's talking about. A question to the pro-war members of the board.

 

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The problem after a war is with the victor. He thinks he has just proved that war and violence pay. Who will now teach him a lesson?

 

Just seen Blair on the news. The aim of this war is, apparently, to topple Saddam Hussein and disarm his weapons of mass distraction.

 

1. The idea of toppling Saddam Hussein. Relates back to the sniper idea, doesn't it? Blair sends his wishes to the innocent people of Baghdad, telling them Britain are on their side. That's reassuring, isn't it?

 

2. Disarming the weapons of mass distraction. If you can't find them, how do you disarm them?

 

3. Minority Report, by Spielberg, is a film about how, in the future, criminals are caught before they commit their crimes, by a police force that is directed by three mutant alien things that read people's minds and know when they are about to commit crimes. The system was shown to be flawed, however, as the main character, Tom Cruise, was framed. But back to the point. The idea of arresting someone before they commit the crime. It's an interesting one. According to Blair, the way to resolve situations peacefully in the future is to deal with them firmly now. But. Saddam isn't a threat to Britain. He's not a threat to the US. I have a stone. I can throw it 11 metres, even though I've been told I'm only allowed to throw it 10. So I've breached regulations. I can't throw it 17 kilometres, however. Surely before you start a war to topple me and disarm my stones, you wait until I've got stones that can go, not necessarily 17 kms, but maybe just 10 kms. It's like a stakeout. You don't go in and stop the baddies from doing something bad. You wait, gather more and more evidence, and go in when the time is right. In my opinion, the time is not right yet.

 

4. Saddam is a threat. Was he a threat in 1991? If so, how much bigger of a threat is he now than he was then?

 

5. The analogy used by some of Hitler. He invaded Poland amongst other places. Saddam hasn't invaded anyone (since the last Gulf War), has he?

[Colin Zeal EFM]

This made me laugh in The Sun today, purely because it's so true! Reminded me of you a bit, GHA!!... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

 

I’VE never been one for demonstrations, even when I was younger. During the Vietnam protests, I was more interested in Sam and Dave than Marx and Engels.

But had I been 16 today, I probably would have joined in the schoolkids’ anti-war demos.

 

It’s a day out, a chance for a couple of sherberts, to [****!!****] a snook at authority, a bit of criminal damage and, you never know, you might get your leg over in to the bargain.

 

But you can’t read anything else into it, even though the BBC reported it with the sort of reverence normally reserved for the fall of the Berlin Wall.

 

Everybody back on the coach.

 

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