War Is Imminent

[Colin Zeal EFM]

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The fact is YOU are still yet to come up with anything apart from "he has weapons of mass distruction",

Err.. I've never actually said that.

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

You have said in a previous post that he is a threat to the world, how can that be?

 

You have told me several times in debates in the pub and on the terrace that he has, try and deny it.

 

However on a lighter note, while checking the search bit for the word "Saddam" on previous posts, there were loads over the last few months, but sitting at the beggining was a post from me where I did lable him one of the world's most evil men but he did back the saints. Take a look here <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

[Colin Zeal EFM]

I believe he has chemical weapons and I believe he has biological weapons. I don't believe he has nuclear weapons and I don't believe he has the ability to launch the weapons he does have more than a few miles.

 

However, if Saddam were to remain in power for any further length of time, I believe that would change. I also believe that he would not hesitate to use them, as indeed he has done on his own people in the past.

 

 

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

Bloody hell, your worse than Bush and Blair at least they believe he has weapons of mass destruction.

 

Under the Zeal regime shouldn't we be sorting out North Korea first as they DO have them?

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Err.. Chemical and Biological Weapons are Weapons of Mass Destruction, Thornsy.

 

 

[Laz]

Regardless of what weapons he has or doesn't have, he is killing innocent people in his own country. Hopefully, when he is chased out of Iraq or killed that will stop.

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

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Err.. Chemical and Biological Weapons are Weapons of Mass Destruction, Thornsy.

But not a threat to us or America which is what this is all meant to be about

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Err... no it's not.

 

 

[CANV EFM]

great row

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

Yes it is.

 

Did you not Bush's speech last week "we will rid the world of weapons of mass descrusction, we will secure the security of the american people .... blah, blah blah"

Do you think they are trying to rid them out of the kindness of their hearts, thats bollox!

 

They don't care about any other country and conflict current or future, if they did they'd be sorting out Israeal, which is basically the root of most of the current world problems and americas continued support for them!

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

Cheers Canv!

[Colin Zeal EFM]

They're trying to make this a safer world for you and I to live in, Thornsy. You ungrateful twat!! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

 

 

[Colin Zeal EFM]

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As Tony is such a family man I hope he therefore knows how it feels to lose a loved one as so many Iraqi people will soon feel.

Hmmm. Millions of German soldiers died between 1939 and 1945, but I've still heard you singing "Two World Wars, One World Cup" in the pub when we've been playing them at football.

So don't try and make out you're compassionate about people from other nation's losing their lives, when you've blatantly glorified it in the past.

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

A few bombs and islamic fundamentists iraqi sympathisers should sort that out, that's OK then. The WHOLE world already feels safer <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

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As Tony is such a family man I hope he therefore knows how it feels to lose a loved one as so many Iraqi people will soon feel.

Hmmm. Millions of German soldiers died between 1939 and 1945, but I've still heard you singing "Two World Wars, One World Cup" in the pub when we've been playing them at football.

So don't try and make out you're compassionate about people from other nation's losing their lives, when you've blatantly glorified it in the past.

Thats a cheap shot - we're suppost to be living in peace times! And that war was justified.

[Colin Zeal EFM]

You're all 'peace, love and hippy-dippy bullshit' one minute, and the next minute I read your profile and you claim to be 'Hooligan Of The Year' and you tell me in the pub you intend to retain that title in 2003!!

 

 

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

I think your last couple of comments where you have taken all of the tounge in cheek things that we proclaim to a serious extent proves that your losing the war argument, if you have to move onto me singing football songs and claiming to be "hooligan of the year" then you really are a sad case and this argument with you is over and won by me!

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Or maybe my comment was itself, tongue-in-cheek??

 

You have yet to make one argument about the war that convinces me you really know what you're talking about. At least AFF and the Librarian make a bit of sense.

 

 

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

This is quite good.

 

oh a nice letter to Bush from Mr Micheal Moore

 

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George W. Bush

1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Washington, DC

 

Dear Governor Bush:

 

So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day that "France and the rest of world have to show their cards on the table." I'm glad to hear that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could take much more. So I'm glad

to hear that today is Truth Day, 'cause I got a few truths I would like to share with you:

 

1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that.

You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works!

 

2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end in Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars -- the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve.

 

3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them.

 

4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place.

 

5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort.

What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't think so either!

 

6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. Yes, some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we wouldn't even have this country known as America if it weren't for the French! That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us? That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the concepts that lead to our eclaration

of Independence and our Constitution? That it was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for getting it right for once. You know, you really should

have traveled more (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not only made you look stupid, it has painted you into a corner you can't get out of.

 

Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with this war, more than likely it will be over soon because I'm guessing there aren't a lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity polls as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a good ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's some third world ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year's election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further down the toilet!

 

But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days before the election!

See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- they got our oil!!

 

Yours,

 

Michael Moore

 

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a letter from someone else familiar

 

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A letter to the London Observer newspaper from Terry Jones (yes, of MontyPython).

 

 

I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq: he's running out of patience. And so am I! For some time now I've been really pissed off with Mr Johnson, who lives a couple of doors down the street. Well, him and Mr Patel, who runs the health food shop. They both give me queer looks, and I'm sure Mr Johnson is planning something nasty for me, but so far I haven't been able to discover what.

 

I've been round to his place a few times to see what he's up to, but he's got everything well hidden. That's how devious he is. As for Mr Patel, don't ask me how I know, I just know - from very good sources that he is, in reality, a Mass Murderer. I have leafleted the street telling them that if we don't act first, he'll pick us off one by one.

 

Some of my neighbours say, if I've got proof, why don't I go to the police? But that's simply ridiculous. The police will say that they need evidence of a crime with which to charge my neighbours. They'll come up with endless red tape and quibbling about the rights and wrongs of a pre-emptive strike and all the while Mr Johnson will be finalising his plans to do terrible things to me, while Mr Patel will be secretly murdering people.

 

Since I'm the only one in the street with a decent range of automatic firearms, I reckon it's up to me to keep the peace. But until recently that's been a little difficult. Now, however, George W. Bush has made it clear that all I need to do is run out of patience, and then I can wade in and do whatever I want! And let's face it, Mr Bush's carefully thought-out policy towards Iraq is the only way to bring about international peace and security. The one certain way to stop Muslim fundamentalist suicide bombers targeting the US or the UK is to bomb a few Muslim countries that have never threatened us. That's why I want to blow up Mr Johnson's garage and kill his wife and children.

 

Strike first! That'll teach him a lesson. Then he'll leave us in peace and stop peering at me in that totally unacceptable way. Mr Bush makes it clear that all he needs to know before bombing Iraq is that Saddam is a really nasty man and that he has weapons of mass destruction - even if no one can find them. I'm certain I've just as much justification for killing Mr Johnson's wife and children as Mr Bush has for bombing Iraq.

 

Mr Bush's long-term aim is to make the world a safer place by eliminating 'rogue states' and 'terrorism'. It's such a clever long-term aim because how can you ever know when you've achieved it? How will Mr Bush know when he's wiped out all terrorists? When every single terrorist is dead? But then a terrorist is only a terrorist once he's committed an act of terror. What about would-be terrorists? These are the ones you really want to eliminate,

since most of the known terrorists, being suicide bombers, have already eliminated themselves. Perhaps Mr Bush needs to wipe out everyone who could possibly be a future terrorist? Maybe he can't be sure he's achieved his objective until every Muslim fundamentalist is dead?

 

But then some moderate Muslims might convert to fundamentalism. Maybe the only really safe thing to do would be for Mr Bush to eliminate all Muslims? It's the same in my street. Mr Johnson and Mr Patel are just the tip of the iceberg. There are dozens of other people in the street who I don't like and who - quite frankly - look at me in odd ways. No one will be really safe until I've wiped them all out. My wife says I might be going too far but I tell her I'm simply using the same logic as the President of the United States. That shuts her up.

 

Mr Bush, I've run out of patience, and if that's a good enough reason for the President, it's good enough for me. I'm going to give the whole street two weeks - no, 10 days - to come out in the open and hand over all aliens and interplanetary hijackers, galactic outlaws and interstellar terrorist masterminds, and if they don't hand them over nicely and say 'Thank you', I'm going to bomb the entire street to kingdom come. It's just as sane as what George W. Bush is proposing - and, in contrast to what he's intending, my policy will destroy only one street.

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Very good. I've read that second one before elsewhere too.