War Is Imminent

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Opinion polls released yesterday, and printed in the broadsheets this morning, indicate that 44% of the British public are against the war, whilst 38% are for it.

 

That's one hell of a change from a couple of weeks back. The gap has narrowed tremendously.

 

Regardless, war is a certainty now, and, I believe, justified.

 

No-one wants to see hundreds/thousands of innocent civilians die.

 

But the security of the world we live in is under extreme threat.

 

Remember, Tony Blair is privy to a lot of information that you or I will never know about.

 

And Blair is not an egotistical maniac. He is a family man. And he is a level-headed man.

 

It's important now, that we get behind our country, and hope that the war is won and finished with as little fuss and as soon as possible.

 

 

[GHA EFM]

Good Lord. Has AFF seen this?

[The Invisible Man]

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44% of the British public are against the war, whilst 38% are for it.

Please forgive my uninvited intrusion, but what happened to the other 18%?

I mean, if asked if you are for or against war, it's not really something you can say "don't know" to, is it?

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

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Opinion polls released yesterday, and printed in the broadsheets this morning, indicate that 44% of the British public are against the war, whilst 38% are for it.

That's one hell of a change from a couple of weeks back. The gap has narrowed tremendously.

Regardless, war is a certainty now, and, I believe, justified.

No-one wants to see hundreds/thousands of innocent civilians die.

But the security of the world we live in is under extreme threat.

Remember, Tony Blair is privy to a lot of information that you or I will never know about.

And Blair is not an egotistical maniac. He is a family man. And he is a level-headed man.

It's important now, that we get behind our country, and hope that the war is won and finished with as little fuss and as soon as possible.

How do you know what the broadsheets say, you read Richard Littlejohn

The security of this world is under threat I agree, but not from Saddam Hussain but that oil loving war monster George Bush

If Tony is privy to a lot more infomation I'm sure he'd release it after all his goverment love the spin/propaganda wars. With such a huge outcry I would of thought he'd want to let us know as much info as possible, could it be there isn't any? Lets face it neither him or Bush have actually told us amything.

As Tony is such a family man I hope he therefore knows how it feels to lose a loved one as so many Iraqi people will soon feel.

This war is happening, it still isn't just and history will show that.

Over to you AFF

[Laz]

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Please forgive my uninvited intrusion, but what happened to the other 18%?

They defected to Enfield Town.

[AFF]

Many things astonish me and one is that otherwise intelligent and apparently decent people can support the principle of the invasion of Iraq without just cause.

 

The Secretary General of the U.N. has issued a statement that military action without a second resolution would be contrary to the charter. "Ignore that" say the lunatics.

 

Blix has confirmed that Saddam is co-operating with the Weapons Inspectors. "Your avin a larf" say the lunatics.

 

The British Intelligence [sic] Services have confirmed that there are no links between Iraq and Al Qaida. "What do they know about anything" say the lunatics.

 

The 'weapons of mass destruction' are Al Samoud 2 missiles that have a range of 183 kms rather than the permitted 150 kms. Under the supervision of the Weapons Inspectors, Saddam has destroyed 55 of his 109 missiles. "Not interested in this level of co-operation" say the lunatics.

 

Zealster.

 

The cost of the production of 1 barrel of oil in Texas is $25. The cost of the production of 1 barrel of oil in Iraq is $1.75.

 

Does it enter your head for a single moment that maybe, just maybe, just very possibly, this may be about oil?

 

Bush has announced that after the victorious allies have bombed the **** out of Iraq, they will invite the U.N. in to supervise the handover of the country to the Iraqi people, providing their surname isn't Hussein, presumably. The U.N. will be very grateful to have been allotted that task in the game plan, no doubt.

 

Zealster.

 

Does it occur to you that the authority of the United Nations has been damaged irrevocably by these events?

 

Does it occur to you that Britain's relations with France, Germany, Russia and China have been seriously damaged by these events?

 

Blair. Out of 10, how do you rate his success as an international diplomat over the past 6 months? Higher than 1? Don't be ridiculous. And you trust this man to lead this country into war? And to deal with the chaos that will follow?

 

You believe these people?

 

It seems that it is now inevitable. I shake my head. Of course, I hope that "it" will be over very quickly and that military and civilian deaths on both sides will be as few as possible. All the blood will be on the hands of Bush and Blair.

 

Then what happens, Zealster? What's next?

 

 

[Colin Zeal EFM]

The other 18% indeed are "don't know". To a certain extent, I can be included in that category.

 

Thornsy, I read several papers. I just refuse to read The Mirror.

 

Thornsy, if you truly believe that George Bush is a bigger threat to the security of the world than Saddam Hussein, then you are mad. That is the sort of comment you read in a tabloid.

 

Thornsy, no-one wants to see innocent people die in a war. But unfortunately people do. We'd all love to live in a war-free world, and would like peace and love to rule supreme, but this is cold, harsh reality, mate.

 

Unfortunately, Thornsy, your whole statement has made you sound like an ill-advised, naive kid.

 

The time for criticism of politicians is now over. The war is happening. What is important now, is that tens of thousands of British and American soldiers are now in the Gulf, and are simply carrying out orders and doing their job. Just like Firefighters. Just like Policeman. Just like you or I. We must support them.

 

 

[EFM's Librarian]

The one bit of that message where you show your naivety is the comment about George Bush not being a threat to the security of the world. As i've already repeatedly told you, Saddam Hussein has no intention of starting a nuclear war on the rest of the world, everyone accepts that he doesn't have the capability to do this. You'll say 'yes but he supports terrorists who make attacks all over the world' Is there any proof of this? the nonsensical claims that he supported Al-Qaida are just that - nonsense. AL-Qaida fought against Iraq in the first Gulf war. I don't believe that we shouldn't go to war just because there is no threat to us, but I do believe that when a religous fundamentalist is in charge in the White house, there will always be a threat to world security. It's not just Muslims who believe that life is just a prelude to what happens after death.

[Colin Zeal EFM]

EFM's Librarian, AFF and Thornsy - you have all completely missed the point of what I'm trying to say. Forget the politics, the wherefore's and whyfore's. It's too late for that. Our thoughts should be with the servicemen who are out there, simply doing their jobs.

 

 

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

Don't call me a ill-advised naive kid, I have been putting various degrees of arguements why we shouldn't go to war for months.

 

You just keep regurgitating the same stuff on a scale only better by the likes of George Bush.

 

I'd like to see your responce to AFF now please.

 

PS and why do you refuse to read the mirror, is it because they are anti-war, how can you have a balanced argument when you refuse to read both sides to the story. The Mirror has a lot of failings but I've found them (surprisingly) to be quite a good paper over the last few months!

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

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EFM's Librarian, AFF and Thornsy - you have all completely missed the point of what I'm trying to say. Forget the politics, the wherefore's and whyfore's. It's too late for that. Our thoughts should be with the servicemen who are out there, simply doing their jobs.

No it's bloody not - your point has been the same from day 1. Of course we don't want any form of casualties to either our boys or the Iraqi people, but don't insult my intellegence by claiming that we should now all be getting behind our boys and thats the point of your arguement.

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Your problem, Thornsy, is that you've always fancied yourself as a bit of an anarchist, and this war has given you the perfect opportunity to live out your fantasy.

 

 

[Colin Zeal EFM]

Winning place in history

 

WITH passion in his voice and fire in his belly, Tony Blair won his place in history alongside Churchill and Thatcher.

 

In the most momentous speech of his political life he set out the pressing reasons why there must now be war on Saddam Hussein.

 

The ringing tones were from Churchill, the cold logic that of Thatcher.

 

“We must go to war with a clear conscience and a good heart,” he told the nation.

 

“Retreat now will put at hazard all that we hold dear. Have the courage to do the right thing.”

 

It was a stirring call to arms that was backed with precise, detailed and persuasive arguments.

 

The Prime Minister’s devotion to his arduous duty has aged him ten years in as many months.

 

The burden he carries is the knowledge his critics refuse to believe — that there is a real and present danger to the national security of Britain.

 

It is a twin threat of rogue states trading in the most deadly weapons and unscrupulous terrorist groups around the world who twist the religion of Islam to their own murderous ends.

 

That is why we have to strike and strike hard against Saddam.

 

If we back away now, if we talk but never act, we will tell the terrorists and the despots that we are feeble and faltering.

 

Future conflicts would be infinitely worse and more devastating in their consequences.

 

The lesson we should learn from history is that weakness in the face of a tyrant is the surest way not to peace, but to conflict.

 

Blair’s arguments may not have won the unanimous backing of the Commons, but they will have struck chords with the nation.

 

His disappointment with the actions of France shone through.

 

The PM agreed that by blocking attempts for a diplomatic solution, Jacques Chirac had disarmed the UN instead of Iraq.

 

Restoring world unity, as well as picking up the pieces of his own party, are great tasks ahead.

 

But today Blair’s concern is for those he has to send to war and the victory they must win.

 

The Prime Minister and the Armed Forces deserve the support of us all.

 

 

www.thesun.co.uk

 

 

[AFF]

And you buy all that cr@p, CZ.

 

I buy the last 9 words, by the way.

 

Just re-read it. The 3rd line from the end. Tone's C.V. doesn't read well for that particular task.

[Colin Zeal EFM]

GHA: Good Lord. Has AFF seen this?

 

EFM The Firm, The Voice: Over to you AFF

 

 

Is AFF your official spokesman, or are you two just unable to put across a coherant argument yourself? Well, I know Thornsy is. Plenty of hot air, but very little coherancy.

 

 

[Colin Zeal EFM]

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And you buy all that cr@p, CZ.

To a certain extent.

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I buy the last 9 words, by the way.

It was those last 9 words that was the point I was essentially trying to put across yesterday afternoon.

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

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Your problem, Thornsy, is that you've always fancied yourself as a bit of an anarchist, and this war has given you the perfect opportunity to live out your fantasy.

Is that because I own 4 Chumbawamba albums! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I don't fancy myself as a anarchist, but I do believe in standing up and speaking up for whats wrong, there is a lot of corruption and wrong in this world.
If I wanted to be a anarchist I'd have no qualms about direct action, sometimes i've felt like it and if I ever did it wouldn't be so I caould impress people with my anarchist ways!

[AFF]

Zealster.

 

You have not tackled any of the points put to you on here this morning, far less answered any of the questions put to you.

 

have you ever thought of a career in politics?

[EFM The Firm, The Voice]

AFF has a very good way of putting things across

 

You could say he takes all my hot air and makes it's coherent.

 

Don't try and discredit me Zeal, I have put over plenty of arguments, the same, some not covered by AFF and some not covered by me.

 

The fact is YOU are still yet to come up with anything apart from "he has weapons of mass distruction", I have said he hasn't and AFF has gone into more details about the sort of weapons.

 

[Colin Zeal EFM]

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Zealster.

You have not tackled any of the points put to you on here this morning, far less answered any of the questions put to you.

have you ever thought of a career in politics?

I have deliberately not answered any points put to me, as my message, like I've already said, was one of support for our soldiers.

Ever considered a career in politics? Nope. You??